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Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[facilitatorn]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/9/14/2052199/-Senate-Democrats-newly-tweaked-voting-rights-bill-is-solid-and-could-get-a-vote-next-week

[Hairy Lime]

Josh always sees the manure in the haystack, never the pony.

Why is your pony shitting in the haystack?

[josh]

The Atlantic shines new light on Covid hospitalizations
Could be that a sizable number were admitted for other reasons.


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/

680,000 dead....

Nuff said

You're not brilliant, Larry.  It's a deadly fucking virus.

You disgrace the dead by citing the count.

It is a deadly fucking virus the federal government allowed to run unchecked. Your party fucked up and would not step up at any opportunity.

Warp Speed was a Great SUCCESS yet you motherfuckers are fighting getting vaccinated..

Goddamn death cult overseeing a slow motion Jonestown.

Who do you blame HIV on?

https://www.kff.org/hivaids/fact-sheet/the-hivaids-epidemic-in-the-united-states-the-basics/

a) slow flow of information
b) disregard for lives of gay people
c) failures of governments to act
d) limitations of science

[josh]

In New Zealand:

[kidcarter8]

The Atlantic shines new light on Covid hospitalizations
Could be that a sizable number were admitted for other reasons.


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/

680,000 dead....

Nuff said

You're not brilliant, Larry.  It's a deadly fucking virus.

You disgrace the dead by citing the count.

It is a deadly fucking virus the federal government allowed to run unchecked. Your party fucked up and would not step up at any opportunity.

Warp Speed was a Great SUCCESS yet you motherfuckers are fighting getting vaccinated..

Goddamn death cult overseeing a slow motion Jonestown.

Who do you blame HIV on?

https://www.kff.org/hivaids/fact-sheet/the-hivaids-epidemic-in-the-united-states-the-basics/

a) slow flow of information
b) disregard for lives of gay people
c) failures of governments to act
d) limitations of science

shhh.....

[REDSTATEWARD]

I am SHOCKED, I tell you - that so many Republicans oppose an unconstitutional vaccine mandate.  Shocked.

Good thing, then,  that vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional.  And pretty much like literally hundreds of other public health measures throughout our nation's history.

The vaccine mandate proposed by Biden is unconstitutional.

It's not.   Which is why you never actually cite the constitutional basis, but just keep making the same unsupported assertion.

I already have. We covered this when the issue first came up in 2020.
The Federal Government cannot not impose mandates on the states.
New York v. United States (1992) would be a good precedent to learn.

It sure would! You should learn it. What mandate is Biden opposing on the states that you think NY v. US impacts? Because the answer is "none" since Biden is not mandating or incentives legislation by the states.

The mandate being worked on by OSHA.
Biden is trying to work around the Constitution.

Not even in the ball park for the NY v US case. You could drop a nuclear bomb on the NY case and OSHA regulating work place health and safety would not even get radiation burns. The right wing web site you are pulling the argument from is playing you for a gullible ass.

the Ball Park is the Constitution.
NY vs. US established Congress is limited by the Constitution in laws dealing with state mandates.
The President  gets his power from Congress and the Constitution. Neither of which grant him the power to establish state Mandates.
Ergo, as the cited case affirms, the Federal Government has no power to establish state mandates.

The case is about mandating official state actions. What official state action does the vaccine mandate require?

There no Mandate since Biden and his gang  cannot come up with one to pass Constitutional muster.
But, as the Constitution directs and has been endorsed by SCOTUS the Federal government cannot directly compel the States to pass certain laws or act in accord with the Federal government
In Murphy v. NCAA,Justice Alito, writing for the majority,explained  that the Federal government could neither compel a State to enact legislation or forbid it.

Well, you finally at least read the syllabus for the case. Congratulations. What official state action is the vaccine mandate requiring? The answer, to save you time, is none.

None yet.
If there is one it will be unconstitutional.

Yes, and if he attempts to dissolve Congress that will also be unconstitutional. But since he has not indicated he intends to do anything of the sort - either your hypothetical or mine - what in the Holy Name of God are you blathering about?

That any mandate, of a state or a private business by the Federal Government, is unconstitutional.

[josh]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-mandate-strong-supreme-court-precedent-510280

[josh]

The Atlantic shines new light on Covid hospitalizations
Could be that a sizable number were admitted for other reasons.


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/

680,000 dead....

Nuff said

You're not brilliant, Larry.  It's a deadly fucking virus.

You disgrace the dead by citing the count.

It is a deadly fucking virus the federal government allowed to run unchecked. Your party fucked up and would not step up at any opportunity.

Warp Speed was a Great SUCCESS yet you motherfuckers are fighting getting vaccinated..

Goddamn death cult overseeing a slow motion Jonestown.

Who do you blame HIV on?

https://www.kff.org/hivaids/fact-sheet/the-hivaids-epidemic-in-the-united-states-the-basics/

a) slow flow of information
b) disregard for lives of gay people
c) failures of governments to act
d) limitations of science

shhh.....

On whom do you blame HIV?

[Hairy Lime]

I am SHOCKED, I tell you - that so many Republicans oppose an unconstitutional vaccine mandate.  Shocked.

Good thing, then,  that vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional.  And pretty much like literally hundreds of other public health measures throughout our nation's history.

The vaccine mandate proposed by Biden is unconstitutional.

It's not.   Which is why you never actually cite the constitutional basis, but just keep making the same unsupported assertion.

I already have. We covered this when the issue first came up in 2020.
The Federal Government cannot not impose mandates on the states.
New York v. United States (1992) would be a good precedent to learn.

It sure would! You should learn it. What mandate is Biden opposing on the states that you think NY v. US impacts? Because the answer is "none" since Biden is not mandating or incentives legislation by the states.

The mandate being worked on by OSHA.
Biden is trying to work around the Constitution.

Not even in the ball park for the NY v US case. You could drop a nuclear bomb on the NY case and OSHA regulating work place health and safety would not even get radiation burns. The right wing web site you are pulling the argument from is playing you for a gullible ass.

the Ball Park is the Constitution.
NY vs. US established Congress is limited by the Constitution in laws dealing with state mandates.
The President  gets his power from Congress and the Constitution. Neither of which grant him the power to establish state Mandates.
Ergo, as the cited case affirms, the Federal Government has no power to establish state mandates.

The case is about mandating official state actions. What official state action does the vaccine mandate require?

There no Mandate since Biden and his gang  cannot come up with one to pass Constitutional muster.
But, as the Constitution directs and has been endorsed by SCOTUS the Federal government cannot directly compel the States to pass certain laws or act in accord with the Federal government
In Murphy v. NCAA,Justice Alito, writing for the majority,explained  that the Federal government could neither compel a State to enact legislation or forbid it.

Well, you finally at least read the syllabus for the case. Congratulations. What official state action is the vaccine mandate requiring? The answer, to save you time, is none.

None yet.
If there is one it will be unconstitutional.

Yes, and if he attempts to dissolve Congress that will also be unconstitutional. But since he has not indicated he intends to do anything of the sort - either your hypothetical or mine - what in the Holy Name of God are you blathering about?

That any mandate, of a state or a private business by the Federal Government, is unconstitutional.

So, OSHA cannot mandate goggles or other protective equipment?

[Oilcandide]

When did you pass a bar exam, Red?  Your use of "ergo" turns me on.

Cogito ergo yum!

[REDSTATEWARD]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-mandate-strong-supreme-court-precedent-510280

Note the title of the case cited by Josh
JACOBSEN V MASSACHUSETTS

[REDSTATEWARD]

I am SHOCKED, I tell you - that so many Republicans oppose an unconstitutional vaccine mandate.  Shocked.

Good thing, then,  that vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional.  And pretty much like literally hundreds of other public health measures throughout our nation's history.

The vaccine mandate proposed by Biden is unconstitutional.

It's not.   Which is why you never actually cite the constitutional basis, but just keep making the same unsupported assertion.

I already have. We covered this when the issue first came up in 2020.
The Federal Government cannot not impose mandates on the states.
New York v. United States (1992) would be a good precedent to learn.

It sure would! You should learn it. What mandate is Biden opposing on the states that you think NY v. US impacts? Because the answer is "none" since Biden is not mandating or incentives legislation by the states.

The mandate being worked on by OSHA.
Biden is trying to work around the Constitution.

Not even in the ball park for the NY v US case. You could drop a nuclear bomb on the NY case and OSHA regulating work place health and safety would not even get radiation burns. The right wing web site you are pulling the argument from is playing you for a gullible ass.

the Ball Park is the Constitution.
NY vs. US established Congress is limited by the Constitution in laws dealing with state mandates.
The President  gets his power from Congress and the Constitution. Neither of which grant him the power to establish state Mandates.
Ergo, as the cited case affirms, the Federal Government has no power to establish state mandates.

The case is about mandating official state actions. What official state action does the vaccine mandate require?

There no Mandate since Biden and his gang  cannot come up with one to pass Constitutional muster.
But, as the Constitution directs and has been endorsed by SCOTUS the Federal government cannot directly compel the States to pass certain laws or act in accord with the Federal government
In Murphy v. NCAA,Justice Alito, writing for the majority,explained  that the Federal government could neither compel a State to enact legislation or forbid it.

Well, you finally at least read the syllabus for the case. Congratulations. What official state action is the vaccine mandate requiring? The answer, to save you time, is none.

None yet.
If there is one it will be unconstitutional.

Yes, and if he attempts to dissolve Congress that will also be unconstitutional. But since he has not indicated he intends to do anything of the sort - either your hypothetical or mine - what in the Holy Name of God are you blathering about?

That any mandate, of a state or a private business by the Federal Government, is unconstitutional.

So, OSHA cannot mandate goggles or other protective equipment?

For what?

[Hairy Lime]

I am SHOCKED, I tell you - that so many Republicans oppose an unconstitutional vaccine mandate.  Shocked.

Good thing, then,  that vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional.  And pretty much like literally hundreds of other public health measures throughout our nation's history.

The vaccine mandate proposed by Biden is unconstitutional.

It's not.   Which is why you never actually cite the constitutional basis, but just keep making the same unsupported assertion.

I already have. We covered this when the issue first came up in 2020.
The Federal Government cannot not impose mandates on the states.
New York v. United States (1992) would be a good precedent to learn.

It sure would! You should learn it. What mandate is Biden opposing on the states that you think NY v. US impacts? Because the answer is "none" since Biden is not mandating or incentives legislation by the states.

The mandate being worked on by OSHA.
Biden is trying to work around the Constitution.

Not even in the ball park for the NY v US case. You could drop a nuclear bomb on the NY case and OSHA regulating work place health and safety would not even get radiation burns. The right wing web site you are pulling the argument from is playing you for a gullible ass.

the Ball Park is the Constitution.
NY vs. US established Congress is limited by the Constitution in laws dealing with state mandates.
The President  gets his power from Congress and the Constitution. Neither of which grant him the power to establish state Mandates.
Ergo, as the cited case affirms, the Federal Government has no power to establish state mandates.

The case is about mandating official state actions. What official state action does the vaccine mandate require?

There no Mandate since Biden and his gang  cannot come up with one to pass Constitutional muster.
But, as the Constitution directs and has been endorsed by SCOTUS the Federal government cannot directly compel the States to pass certain laws or act in accord with the Federal government
In Murphy v. NCAA,Justice Alito, writing for the majority,explained  that the Federal government could neither compel a State to enact legislation or forbid it.

Well, you finally at least read the syllabus for the case. Congratulations. What official state action is the vaccine mandate requiring? The answer, to save you time, is none.

None yet.
If there is one it will be unconstitutional.

Yes, and if he attempts to dissolve Congress that will also be unconstitutional. But since he has not indicated he intends to do anything of the sort - either your hypothetical or mine - what in the Holy Name of God are you blathering about?

That any mandate, of a state or a private business by the Federal Government, is unconstitutional.

So, OSHA cannot mandate goggles or other protective equipment?

For what?

And with that, Red raises the white flag.

[Oilcandide]

The President  gets his power from Congress and the Constitution. Neither of which grant him the power to establish state Mandates.
Ergo, as the cited case affirms, the Federal Government has no power to establish state mandates.

However, The Executive Branch could cite Section 361 of the Public Health Service Act, which allows DHHS or the CDC to make necessary measures

[Oilcandide]

I hate the glitch.   Chops off posts constantly.