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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[Holly Martins]

Post your lies one more time, Ward, and you will get a timeout.

I posted no lies.
I posted the truth
Elena Kagan spoke lies.
Scientists proved her a liar

Wrong.  I backed you on her inaccurate conflation of current hospitalized with total ever hospitalized.  She flubbed that tally, but you provide no evidence it was a deliberate falsehood.  That's a leap that is not warranted. 

[Holly Martins]

Here is the AP fact check, which supports the wild inaccuracy but not your claim of mendacity.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-052172757066

[kiidcarter8]

Post your lies one more time, Ward, and you will get a timeout.

I posted no lies.
I posted the truth
Elena Kagan spoke lies.
Scientists proved her a liar
Which is why you deleted my post pointing that out.

We have no drugs that reduce deaths to zero. Fox News can claim otherwise and you can quote them until you both are blue in the face.

I've read the claims and I've read the clinical reports, including pre-press papers when that is the best I could do.

The early claims for zero deaths have been disproven and expectations lowered.

Has someone died using Joe Rogan's cocktail?  I hadn't heard

[kiidcarter8]

More than four in 100,000 children ages 4 and younger admitted to hospitals were infected with the coronavirus as of Jan. 1

Confusing statement.  Please add clarity.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Here is the AP fact check, which supports the wild inaccuracy but not your claim of mendacity.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-052172757066

I think you should pay better attention.

[REDSTATEWARD]

 So the Apples and Oranges align:


CDC Director Rochelle Walensky clarified that the number of children hospitalized with COVID-19 is nowhere close to the statistic put forth by Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor Friday, while noting that Americans can still work to reduce hospitalization by getting vaccinated.
Speaking with "Fox News Sunday," Walensky provided an update on the current numbers, confirming to host Bret Baier that there are fewer than 3,500 children in hospitals with COVID-19.
Justice Kagan argued that more and more people are getting sick every day, and regarding the mandate, she says the key to stopping all of this there is nothing else that will perform that function better than the vaccine mandate.
  That statement was immediately labeled false by scientists like Johns Hopkins School of Medicine Professor Dr. Marty Makary
I understand Justice Kagan is well-intended. But what she said was wrong. It was medically inaccurate. It is not  true anymore. Vaccinated people are getting Omicron just as the unvaccinated are. And we do have drugs that cut COVID deaths to zero. Now, if you want to mandate a parachute out of an airplane, okay. But when you are  jumping 5 feet into a swimming pool, that changes the dynamic. It changes the calculus. It renders mandates obsolete.

[Holly Martins]

LoL!

[kidcarter8]

We have no drugs that reduce deaths to zero.  FOX NEWS can claim otherwise and you can quote them until you both are blue in the face.


Who's that now?

[REDSTATEWARD]

LoL!

Like I said.  Learn to read better.

[FlyingVProd]

We need to be open when it comes to curing diseases, we need to be global, and it should never be about money, or nation.

And we should never let people starve anywhere in the world, and a little thing like scrambled eggs with cactus with salsa and tortillas is easy to provide, and cheese is easy to make. And the Catholic Priests can travel around the world teaching the poor people how to raise chickens for eggs, and how to raise cows for milk, and how to grow food. And the Peace Corps can help the poor people on the issue of water, etc, and dams and man-made lakes and aguaducts, etc.

We also need to do like Sweden and we need to build housing like crazy in order to help the homeless. We can bring in architects from Spain, and from Greece, and we can build like crazy. The architects need to have fun, and they need to build cool stuff, and they need to keep it fun with tennis courts and with swimming pools, etc.

We also need to educate our people, and we need to get everyone onto the world wide web. And we need to build more libraries, and observatories, etc.

Those are a few ideas for today.

Salute,

Tony V.

[josh]

More than four in 100,000 children ages 4 and younger admitted to hospitals were infected with the coronavirus as of Jan. 1

Confusing statement.  Please add clarity.

For every 100,000 children admitted to a hospital 4 of them had COVID 19.

But it was the confusing statement that I am sure Sotomayor or Kagan read and misunderstood.

Not a lie, but not the truth either.

And the suspension is not for Ward's inane attack on a SCOTUS member, but for his spreading of disinformation about COVID.

[josh]

This is the person quoted about there being drugs that cut deaths to zero:
https://www.martymd.com/

On his page is this quote from Bill Frist: "Marty Makary is one of the great thought leaders in medicine." The funny thing is that Dr. Makary's webpage writer refers to Frist as "US State Senator 1995 - 2007."

Makary is a Fox News medical contributor, though he gets praise from a variety of sources for his recent book. As with Dr. Oz, he is obviously a very smart guy.

But what his "About Marty" page on his website doesn't mention is that "Makary is a pancreatic surgeon." Yes, he "has pioneered novel surgical procedures," but epidemiology, infectious diseases, and immunology are not his areas of expertise.

He is about as entitled to his opinion on this as I am to my opinion on pre-school education of developmentally delayed children because I have a degree in gifted ed.

Even the conservative journalism community has not seized on his words to spread them widely, though more widely than I would have hoped.

He presented no studies to support his opinion because there are none currently. There were some early pieces which seemed to demonstrate it, but they have since been overtaken by reality.

[josh]

"They both" refers to Ward and Dr. Makary, Kid.

Or as Ward would put it, "you need to read better."

[facilitatorn]

Ward has never recovered from Mad Cow despite deepening his dependence on viagra. Joe Rogan is confounded by the patient and his worsening prognosis.

[josh]

Has someone died using Joe Rogan's cocktail?  I hadn't heard

1) People died from Ivermectin even before COVID-19. It's sometimes effective, but still risky, for human use even for the conditions it ought to be prescribed for.

2) Yes, people died who tried that cocktail, among many other counter-indicated measures. Not necessarily because of them, but certainly in spite of them.