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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[Hairy Lime]

I didn't say Alito's opinion was dicta.  I said his "foreshadowing" was dicta.  I know exactly what dicta is.   

The holding in Dobbs only concerns abortion.  And his statement that "nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion" holds no precedential value especially for those states inclined to make gay marriage illegal.   

Pretty narrow interpretation since Dobbs now establishes a clear road map, if you will, to examine future cases involving unenumerated rights.

Which is precisely the point everyone else here has been making. Gay marriage is not an enumerated right. Access to birth control is not an enumerated right. Interracial marriage is not an enumerated right. Gay sex is not an enumerated right. None of those is any more deeply rooted in our history or.tradition than Roe was. There is now a."clear road map" to eliminate or limit those rights, and the Democrats are moving to prevent that from happening.

You are really at sea  on this one.
I suggest you actually read the decision.
You might also be helped by researching Washington v. Glucksberg https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/521/702/
Happy reading.

Your chronic cranial rectal immersion is not my issue.

[Espnthree]

I didn't say Alito's opinion was dicta.  I said his "foreshadowing" was dicta.  I know exactly what dicta is.   

The holding in Dobbs only concerns abortion.  And his statement that "nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion" holds no precedential value especially for those states inclined to make gay marriage illegal.   

Pretty narrow interpretation since Dobbs now establishes a clear road map, if you will, to examine future cases involving unenumerated rights.

Which is precisely the point everyone else here has been making. Gay marriage is not an enumerated right. Access to birth control is not an enumerated right. Interracial marriage is not an enumerated right. Gay sex is not an enumerated right. None of those is any more deeply rooted in our history or.tradition than Roe was. There is now a."clear road map" to eliminate or limit those rights, and the Democrats are moving to prevent that from happening.

You are really at sea  on this one.
I suggest you actually read the decision.
You might also be helped by researching Washington v. Glucksberg https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/521/702/
Happy reading.

Your chronic cranial rectal immersion is not my issue.

Obviously you are not interested in facts.
Abortion is deeply rooted in our history only because it was mostly or always OUTLAWED and certainly not a RIGHT.
Yet the court saw fit to protect abortion as a RIGHT in 1973.

Dobbs not only overturned that right it outlined a path to establishing future rights not written in the Constitution which is centered on the people, not judges.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/20/politics/garrett-ziegler-rant/index.html

27 minute audio rant is discussed, but not linked.

Sounds like he did not enjoy giving testimony to the Jan 6 Committee. His rant is described as racist and misogynist.

[josh]

And Trump has not stopped yet!

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/20/politics/donald-trump-wisconsin-2020-presidential-election/

He wants to decertify the election 18 months after the inauguration.

Incredible.

[Hairy Lime]

I didn't say Alito's opinion was dicta.  I said his "foreshadowing" was dicta.  I know exactly what dicta is.   

The holding in Dobbs only concerns abortion.  And his statement that "nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion" holds no precedential value especially for those states inclined to make gay marriage illegal.   

Pretty narrow interpretation since Dobbs now establishes a clear road map, if you will, to examine future cases involving unenumerated rights.

Which is precisely the point everyone else here has been making. Gay marriage is not an enumerated right. Access to birth control is not an enumerated right. Interracial marriage is not an enumerated right. Gay sex is not an enumerated right. None of those is any more deeply rooted in our history or.tradition than Roe was. There is now a."clear road map" to eliminate or limit those rights, and the Democrats are moving to prevent that from happening.

You are really at sea  on this one.
I suggest you actually read the decision.
You might also be helped by researching Washington v. Glucksberg https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/521/702/
Happy reading.

Your chronic cranial rectal immersion is not my issue.

Obviously you are not interested in facts.
Abortion is deeply rooted in our history only because it was mostly or always OUTLAWED and certainly not a RIGHT.
Yet the court saw fit to protect abortion as a RIGHT in 1973.

Dobbs not only overturned that right it outlined a path to establishing future rights not written in the Constitution which is centered on the people, not judges.

Your chronic cranial rectal immersion is not my issue. If you do not see how substituting gay marriage or gay sex in your second, I am going to say paragraph, makes logical sense and has motivated the move to federally protect marriage equality you are stunningly stupid or deliberately obtuse. Or deliberately,  stunningly, obtusely stupid.

[josh]

Following Ukraine's having hired a top scientist from Latveria, this news is not unexpected:

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-soldiers-monsters-secret-experiments-biolabs-us-1725908

[facilitatorn]

[josh]

In less than surprising news, the anti-law GOP in Arizona censured one of their state's officials for standing up to Donald Trump and being honest at the Jan 6 Committee hearings:

cnn.com/2022/07/20/politics/rusty-bowers-censure-arizona-republican-party-jan-6/index.html

"No longer a Republican in good standing," said the GOP state committee.

THIS, Kid, is why I say you belong to an anti-law and order party. What the GOP has tried to do in Georgia is part of the same whole. The resistance to giving testimony to the Georgia grand jury. Etc.

Trump tried to overturn an election and your party still struggles with honesty about it.

[Espnthree]

I didn't say Alito's opinion was dicta.  I said his "foreshadowing" was dicta.  I know exactly what dicta is.   

The holding in Dobbs only concerns abortion.  And his statement that "nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion" holds no precedential value especially for those states inclined to make gay marriage illegal.   

Pretty narrow interpretation since Dobbs now establishes a clear road map, if you will, to examine future cases involving unenumerated rights.

Which is precisely the point everyone else here has been making. Gay marriage is not an enumerated right. Access to birth control is not an enumerated right. Interracial marriage is not an enumerated right. Gay sex is not an enumerated right. None of those is any more deeply rooted in our history or.tradition than Roe was. There is now a."clear road map" to eliminate or limit those rights, and the Democrats are moving to prevent that from happening.

You are really at sea  on this one.
I suggest you actually read the decision.
You might also be helped by researching Washington v. Glucksberg https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/521/702/
Happy reading.

Your chronic cranial rectal immersion is not my issue.

Obviously you are not interested in facts.
Abortion is deeply rooted in our history only because it was mostly or always OUTLAWED and certainly not a RIGHT.
Yet the court saw fit to protect abortion as a RIGHT in 1973.

Dobbs not only overturned that right it outlined a path to establishing future rights not written in the Constitution which is centered on the people, not judges.

Your chronic cranial rectal immersion is not my issue. If you do not see how substituting gay marriage or gay sex in your second, I am going to say paragraph, makes logical sense and has motivated the move to federally protect marriage equality you are stunningly stupid or deliberately obtuse. Or deliberately,  stunningly, obtusely stupid.

Same sex marriage, interracial marriage, contraception are already federally protected rights and will never be overturned. Only Clarence Thomas wants to revisit gay marriage, but not to outlaw it only correct the basis on which it was decided. He has no allies on the court to do and Americans have accepted all of them as positive factors in our lives.

[josh]

[kidcarter8]

In less than surprising news, the anti-law GOP in Arizona censured one of their state's officials for standing up to Donald Trump and being honest at the Jan 6 Committee hearings:

cnn.com/2022/07/20/politics/rusty-bowers-censure-arizona-republican-party-jan-6/index.html

"No longer a Republican in good standing," said the GOP state committee.

THIS, Kid, is why I say you belong to an anti-law and order party. What the GOP has tried to do in Georgia is part of the same whole. The resistance to giving testimony to the Georgia grand jury. Etc.

Trump tried to overturn an election and your party still struggles with honesty about it.

I belong to the same party as Rusty Bowers.

[kidcarter8]

Nice update on '24


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/12/us/politics/trump-approval-polling-2024.html

[josh]

In less than surprising news, the anti-law GOP in Arizona censured one of their state's officials for standing up to Donald Trump and being honest at the Jan 6 Committee hearings:

cnn.com/2022/07/20/politics/rusty-bowers-censure-arizona-republican-party-jan-6/index.html

"No longer a Republican in good standing," said the GOP state committee.

THIS, Kid, is why I say you belong to an anti-law and order party. What the GOP has tried to do in Georgia is part of the same whole. The resistance to giving testimony to the Georgia grand jury. Etc.

Trump tried to overturn an election and your party still struggles with honesty about it.

I belong to the same party as Rusty Bowers.

But do you stand with Rusty Bowers or do you stand with those who censured him?

[josh]

"Good guy with a gun."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/20/us/arlene-alvarez-9-year-old-shooting/index.html

Dead 9 year old.

Is this a good trade off? One you are willing to make to be able to carry your guns everywhere?

[Yankguy1]

Just the cost of having the Second Amendment.  Freedom! Collateral damage.  Have to break a few eggs....