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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[Espnthree]

Biden mishandled multiple classified documents after he left office in 2017, exposing  those documents to countless unrecorded guests at his house and office from then until 2022.  You may need to catch up on the news.
There is no basis on the public facts to indicate Biden committed a crime.

If you continue that argument you are admitting stupidity.
Biden and his lawyers admit  the material was classified and held in unsecured locations, which is not an actual defense for this crime.
 It is a hope to influence sentencing.
Your partisanship is noted, but not your legal knowledge. 

[LarryB!]

Biden mishandled multiple classified documents after he left office in 2017, exposing  those documents to countless unrecorded guests at his house and office from then until 2022.  You may need to catch up on the news.
There is no basis on the public facts to indicate Biden committed a crime.

If you continue that argument you are admitting stupidity.
Biden and his lawyers admit  the material was classified and held in unsecured locations, which is not an actual defense for this crime.
 It is a hope to influence sentencing.
Your partisanship is noted, but not your legal knowledge.

Partisanship
Oh, Prunella!!

[Hairy Lime]

Biden mishandled multiple classified documents after he left office in 2017, exposing  those documents to countless unrecorded guests at his house and office from then until 2022.  You may need to catch up on the news.
There is no basis on the public facts to indicate Biden committed a crime.

If you continue that argument you are admitting stupidity.
Biden and his lawyers admit  the material was classified and held in unsecured locations, which is not an actual defense for this crime.

Liar. That is only one element of the crime. You continue to ignore the elements that do not exist in the facts shown because you are a LIAR and a Comically Transparent Partisan Hack.

It is a hope to influence sentencing.

Liar.

Your partisanship is noted, but not your legal knowledge.

Your idiocy and lying is noted as always. You continue to ignore the knowledge and intent requirements specifically stated in 18 USC 1924, and pretend they do not.exist because they do not support your lying partisan spin. Since knowledge and intent by statute are elements of the crime, both must be proven before a crime exists. LIAR.

[Espnthree]

Biden mishandled multiple classified documents after he left office in 2017, exposing  those documents to countless unrecorded guests at his house and office from then until 2022.  You may need to catch up on the news.
There is no basis on the public facts to indicate Biden committed a crime.

If you continue that argument you are admitting stupidity.
Biden and his lawyers admit  the material was classified and held in unsecured locations, which is not an actual defense for this crime.

Liar. That is only one element of the crime. You continue to ignore the elements that do not exist in the facts shown because you are a LIAR and a Comically Transparent Partisan Hack.

It is a hope to influence sentencing.

Liar.

Your partisanship is noted, but not your legal knowledge.

Your idiocy and lying is noted as always. You continue to ignore the knowledge and intent requirements specifically stated in 18 USC 1924, and pretend they do not.exist because they do not support your lying partisan spin. Since knowledge and intent by statute are elements of the crime, both must be proven before a crime exists. LIAR.

Sorry

Biden is guilty of mishandling classified documents.
So is Trump.
Their crimes  are different
And their punishments, if any, will be different.
Parse your views as you like.
But the facts are facts.

[Hairy Lime]

Biden mishandled multiple classified documents after he left office in 2017, exposing  those documents to countless unrecorded guests at his house and office from then until 2022.  You may need to catch up on the news.
There is no basis on the public facts to indicate Biden committed a crime.

If you continue that argument you are admitting stupidity.
Biden and his lawyers admit  the material was classified and held in unsecured locations, which is not an actual defense for this crime.

Liar. That is only one element of the crime. You continue to ignore the elements that do not exist in the facts shown because you are a LIAR and a Comically Transparent Partisan Hack.

It is a hope to influence sentencing.

Liar.

Your partisanship is noted, but not your legal knowledge.

Your idiocy and lying is noted as always. You continue to ignore the knowledge and intent requirements specifically stated in 18 USC 1924, and pretend they do not.exist because they do not support your lying partisan spin. Since knowledge and intent by statute are elements of the crime, both must be proven before a crime exists. LIAR.

Sorry

Biden is guilty of mishandling classified documents.

Liar. What is your evidence that Biden "knowingly remove[d] such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials"?

So is Trump.
Their crimes  are different

In that there is clear evidence Trump committed a crime and no evid3nce.of the knowledge and intent necessary to conclude Biden did.

And their punishments, if any, will be different.

In that Trump may be criminally penalized and someone in Biden s orbit might get some administrative, non criminal action.

Parse your views as you like.

The statutory requirements of 18 USC 1924 are not "views". They define the crime.

But the facts are facts.

Indeed. And PROVEN LIAR that you are you ignore them.

[Espnthree]

The statutory requirements of 18 USC 1924 are not "views". They define the crime.

And the Biden defense acknowledges the definition of the crime as laid out in 18 USC 1924. That is why he has adopted a mitigating defense. He had no authority to not only NOT have possession of the documents but to also NOT store them at his office, home, or garage.
Even a doddering  fool like Biden avoided a stupid claim of innocent ignorance.

[Yankguy1]

The statutory requirements of 18 USC 1924 are not "views". They define the crime.

And the Biden defense acknowledges the definition of the crime as laid out in 18 USC 1924. That is why he has adopted a mitigating defense. He had no authority to not only NOT have possession of the documents but to also NOT store them at his office, home, or garage.
Even a dottering fool like Biden avoided a stupid claim of innocent ignorance.

Thank God Red doesn't deal in name-calling.  Nor does he spell "doddering" correctly. 

[facilitatorn]

Red is spotting. It is a time of the month thing.

[Hairy Lime]

The statutory requirements of 18 USC 1924 are not "views". They define the crime.

And the Biden defense acknowledges the definition of the crime as laid out in 18 USC 1924.

I am sure they have. You have not. Because you are a LIAR and a Comically Transparent Partisan Hack. 

That is why he has adopted a mitigating defense.

Liar. The absence of knowledge and intent is not a.defense or mitigation. They are by statute elements.of the offense that has to be proven by the prosecution.

He had no authority to not only NOT have possession of the documents but to also NOT store them at his office, home, or garage.

Mary Mother of God did you actually read that word salad before you posted?

Even a doddering  fool like Biden

Liar.

avoided a stupid claim of innocent ignorance.

Biden does not have to claim ignorance the government has to prove knowledge. Liar.

[Espnthree]

Poor Harry.
He posted usc 18 1924 but did not read it.
Biden, by its definition, is caught mishandling and storing classified documents he has no legal authority to even look at. It is no wonder he is not even mounting a defense on that aspect.
It has not escaped the voters that the time line shows Biden, by his own admission, knew all along the documents existed in his garage( see response to Peter Doocy question)
Instead Biden kept it all from the public until after the mid terms ( a span of months) for pure political reasons.

But now that is making matters worse for him.
Polling shows 71 per cent of voters think Biden is guilty of mishandling classified documents. Nearly two thirds agree this is a serious matter.

All of which should tell Harry that, legal citations aside, the real punishment will be political.
( both for Trump and Biden)
Americans do not like liars and cheaters   

[facilitatorn]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023/1/18/2147852/-Is-the-Reason-Some-Wealthy-People-Oppose-Democracy-Deeper-Than-We-Think

[Oilcanary]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/17/biden-trump-maga-undocumented-workers/

Mentions David Leopold, an immigration lawyer who IIRC is known to a member here.  Anyway, good quote from him.

[Espnthree]

Biden Says He Is Unaware Of Any Classified Docs,
Or Who He Is,
Or Why He is Sitting In This Oval Shaped Office

[Hairy Lime]

Poor Harry.
He posted usc 18 1924 but did not read it.
Biden, by its definition, is caught mishandling and storing classified documents

You have knowing and intentionally omitted the words knowingly and intentionally from the statute definition of the offense. Becauze you know that if you included those terms you would be proving yourself wrong and proving yourself a LIAR yet again.  Not that you care. You are an intellectually dishonest buffoon who does not care that people know you lie and that no one has any respect for you.

he has no legal authority to even look at.

This is, has been and will remain bullshit you cannot support because is is a lie.

   

(a)

Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

[Espnthree]

(a)

Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

Your selective bolding obscures the fact that Biden( and Trump) are clearly in violation of section A.
Prima facie.
Biden even boasted about securing the documents in a locked garage with his Corvette.

I do not think you thought this one through.