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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[LarryB!]

I gather that the killer was arrested for some reason.  Manslaughter reportedly.

Possibly it is not legal to kill an unarmed man for making verbal threats.

But I await Red's legal expertise on the matter.

It is legal to kill an unarmed man for making verbal threats.

No it is not.  A verbal threat can be held to be criminal in certain circumstances, but that doesn't mean a lethal force response is justified or legal.  That is why manslaughter charges have been brought.  Larry's observation is pertinent to this matter.

You are really confused.
In New York second degree manslaughter is a Class C Felony.
Under the Constitutions of New York and the U.S. a defendant may not be tried on such a charge  without indictment by a grand jury.
So Bragg acted first as a politician in placating his base.  But he cannot proceed to trial without an indictment by a Grand Jury.
That means witnesses,facts, even testimony from the alleged killer.
If you want speculate on the outcome of that in a city where millions ride the subway go right ahead.

Pending indictment Penny will plead not guilty and proceed to trial which will end with a hung jury and rather than try him again they will cut a deal for no prison time.

[luee]

---It is important to remember that a crime committed by an illegal alien is a preventable crime.---

[bambu.]

---It is important to remember that a crime committed by an illegal alien is a preventable crime.---

Indeed.
Totally preventable.

[facilitatorn]

If you are talking about preventive detention or expulsion, we need to test it on republicans for about twenty years to see if it actually works before applying it to any immigrants.

[Hairy Lime]

I gather that the killer was arrested for some reason.  Manslaughter reportedly.

Possibly it is not legal to kill an unarmed man for making verbal threats.

But I await Red's legal expertise on the matter.

It is legal to kill an unarmed man for making verbal threats.

No, it is not. It is not illegal in some circumstances but that is not the same thing.

[Hairy Lime]

---It is important to remember that a crime committed by an illegal alien is a preventable crime.---

Not in any rational sense of the phrase.

[Espnthree]

I gather that the killer was arrested for some reason.  Manslaughter reportedly.

Possibly it is not legal to kill an unarmed man for making verbal threats.

But I await Red's legal expertise on the matter.

It is legal to kill an unarmed man for making verbal threats.

No, it is not. It is not illegal in some circumstances but that is not the same thing.

So, in some cases, it is legal.

[LarryB!]

I gather that the killer was arrested for some reason.  Manslaughter reportedly.

Possibly it is not legal to kill an unarmed man for making verbal threats.

But I await Red's legal expertise on the matter.

It is legal to kill an unarmed man for making verbal threats.

No, it is not. It is not illegal in some circumstances but that is not the same thing.

So, in some cases, it is legal.

Asked and answered.

Nice to see the  protests and the yammerings  from AOC  over the Neely episode have faded away.
It often happens when potential  victims of promised violence come forward with their observations.
In contrast Albert Bragg behaved as expected.
A coward to the mob of racist haters.

Refresh our memories here: at what point did Neely actually attack anyone?  Thanks.

You may want to refresh yourself on the facts, if you ever have.
You may want to read the statements of the subway riders who were threatened.
You may want to read the law.
You may want to consider if headline seekers  like AOC are suddenly silent there is more to the story than you recognize.
Just some advice based on common sense.

Refresh our memories here: at what point did Neely actually attack anyone?

Let us read the words of an elderly subway co passenger and what she felt :

(Neely) said, I do not care. Iwill  take a bullet, I will go to jail because he would kill people on the train, the woman said of Neely.  He said, I would kill a motherfucker I do not care. I will take a bullet. I will go to jail.

The retiree said Penny did not initially engage with Neely during the wild rant until things got out of hand and he felt the urge to step in.

 This gentleman, Mr. Penny, did not stand up,Did not engage with the gentleman. He said not a word. It was all Mr. Neely that was threatening  the passengers.
If he did not get what he wants.

I understand the need to step in but at some point recognize the death struggle and allow air to flow. He and his accomplices held the guy for several minutes after he shit on himself.

I am sure they never intended to kill they guy but THEY KILLED THE GUY.

And they will get due process.

Where are the folks who countered BLM with ALL LIVES MATTER?

Because the truth is to most folks on the right side of the political aisle Black lives do not matter as long as the hierarchy is maintained.

[Hairy Lime]

I gather that the killer was arrested for some reason.  Manslaughter reportedly.

Possibly it is not legal to kill an unarmed man for making verbal threats.

But I await Red's legal expertise on the matter.

It is legal to kill an unarmed man for making verbal threats.

No, it is not. It is not illegal in some circumstances but that is not the same thing.

So, in some cases, it is legal.

Well, the person making the threats could be a Chinese Lolipop Man. But short of that any use of lethal force against a purely verbal threat is hard to justify as self defense, legally. 

[Espnthree]

I gather that the killer was arrested for some reason.  Manslaughter reportedly.

Possibly it is not legal to kill an unarmed man for making verbal threats.

But I await Red's legal expertise on the matter.

It is legal to kill an unarmed man for making verbal threats.

No, it is not. It is not illegal in some circumstances but that is not the same thing.

So, in some cases, it is legal.

Well, the person making the threats could be a Chinese Lolipop Man. But short of that any use of lethal force against a purely verbal threat is hard to justify as self defense, legally.

Not true.
The Marine was well within the law when  he responded to deadly threats. ( moreover he was aided  by three othrt passengers).
The manslaughter charge  implies he caused the death of Neely  but needs an indictment by a grand jury to send
it to a trial.

[Oi!]

Keep clinging to that deadly threats raft, Jimbo.  A little duct tape, and repeated incantation of "he's a hero!" and I'm sure you'll survive.

[Espnthree]

Keep clinging to that deadly threats raft, Jimbo.

Investigating New York Police officers substantiated the deadly threats of Neely.
Bragg, acted as a politician, not as a seeker of Justice.  Now he has the onus of proof of a crime.   

[kiidcarter8]

I gather that the killer was arrested for some reason.  Manslaughter reportedly.

Possibly it is not legal to kill an unarmed man for making verbal threats.

But I await Red's legal expertise on the matter.

It is legal to kill an unarmed man for making verbal threats.

No it is not.  A verbal threat can be held to be criminal in certain circumstances, but that doesn't mean a lethal force response is justified or legal.  That is why manslaughter charges have been brought.  Larry's observation is pertinent to this matter.

You are really confused.
In New York second degree manslaughter is a Class C Felony.
Under the Constitutions of New York and the U.S. a defendant may not be tried on such a charge  without indictment by a grand jury.
So Bragg acted first as a politician in placating his base.  But he cannot proceed to trial without an indictment by a Grand Jury.
That means witnesses,facts, even testimony from the alleged killer.
If you want speculate on the outcome of that in a city where millions ride the subway go right ahead.

Pending indictment Penny will plead not guilty and proceed to trial which will end with a hung jury and rather than try him again they will cut a deal for no prison time.

And New York will again pay a steep price

[facilitatorn]

Keep clinging to that deadly threats raft, Jimbo.

Investigating New York Police officers substantiated the deadly threats of Neely.
Bragg, acted as a politician, not as a seeker of Justice.  Now he has the onus of proof of a crime.   

This is what you said about Chauvin. Like you those comments have not aged well.

[Oi!]

Keep clinging to that deadly threats raft, Jimbo.

Investigating New York Police officers substantiated the deadly threats of Neely.
Bragg, acted as a politician, not as a seeker of Justice.  Now he has the onus of proof of a crime.   

This is what you said about Chauvin. Like you those comments have not aged well.