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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[Oilcandide]

What car have you wanted to purchase that the Government has told you can't?

A tunnel borer.  The Deep State has tied us up so completely in regulatory nonsense that I can't drive one without spending a mint in training, licensing, permitting, and obtaining a legal right of way. 

[Yankguy1]

You will always be able to buy your gas guzzlers.  Hold on to your oil stock! 

[Oilcandide]

If electric cars are the future then the market will render that decision.

Markets can't make decisions on matters of public interest, like saving the planet.  That requires governments to craft policies and laws that are in that public interest, based on a pool of expertise that is independent of corporate influence.  We don't have catalytic converters because corporations woke up one day and said, hey let's reduce tailpipe emissions AND horsepower, man that will really draw the customers!  People weren't walking into their Chevy dealer and asking, hey do you all have something that reduces CO, nitrogen oxides, and hydrocarbons in my exhaust gas while cutting horsepower?  Libertarians and the Invisible Hand didn't reduce smog in thousands of cities.  That was our government, pooling the expertise of thousands of chemists, engineers and atmospheric scientists, and crafting a policy in the interest of ordinary citizens trying to breathe. 

[jmmengel]

If electric cars are the future then the market will render that decision.

Markets can't make decisions on matters of public interest, like saving the planet.  That requires governments to craft policies and laws that are in that public interest, based on a pool of expertise that is independent of corporate influence.  We don't have catalytic converters because corporations woke up one day and said, hey let's reduce tailpipe emissions AND horsepower, man that will really draw the customers!  People weren't walking into their Chevy dealer and asking, hey do you all have something that reduces CO, nitrogen oxides, and hydrocarbons in my exhaust gas while cutting horsepower?  Libertarians and the Invisible Hand didn't reduce smog in thousands of cities.  That was our government, pooling the expertise of thousands of chemists, engineers and atmospheric scientists, and crafting a policy in the interest of ordinary citizens trying to breathe.

All the corporate tax breaks for builders of downtown shopping centers could not make people shop downtown once neighborhood malls flourished.
Similarly you cannot make drivers buy cars they do not want. The government does not drive the economy, the consumer does.

[jmmengel]

You will always be able to buy your gas guzzlers.  Hold on to your oil stock!

Glad you agree.

[Yankguy1]

Yep.  So all your belly-aching about EVS is pointless.

[jmmengel]

Yep.  So all your belly-aching about EVS is pointless.

Belly aching?  I have nothing against electric cars.
EVs are exciting and different and a nice industry addition but will never dominate the mass market.
Not in a free society.

[Hairy Lime]

Good to know RedDick is against corporate tax breaks.

[bambu.]

Is it still going to be illegal to sell new IC vehicles in California after 2035 or so?

[jmmengel]

Good to know RedDick is against corporate tax breaks.

Guess you cannot read very well.

[Hairy Lime]

Good to know RedDick is against corporate tax breaks.

Guess you cannot read very well.

I read well. You reason poorly.

[facilitatorn]

He refuses to associate with any statements he might have made before fucking up his face again.

[jmmengel]

Good to know RedDick is against corporate tax breaks.

Guess you cannot read very well.

I read well. You reason poorly.

I stated facts.

[Hairy Lime]

Good to know RedDick is against corporate tax breaks.

Guess you cannot read very well.

I read well. You reason poorly.

I stated facts.

I am fully aware you do not know the definition of "facts". And that you do not know how to reason from them.

[jmmengel]

If electric cars are the future then the market will render that decision.

Markets can't make decisions on matters of public interest, like saving the planet.  That requires governments to craft policies and laws that are in that public interest, based on a pool of expertise that is independent of corporate influence.  We don't have catalytic converters because corporations woke up one day and said, hey let's reduce tailpipe emissions AND horsepower, man that will really draw the customers!  People weren't walking into their Chevy dealer and asking, hey do you all have something that reduces CO, nitrogen oxides, and hydrocarbons in my exhaust gas while cutting horsepower?  Libertarians and the Invisible Hand didn't reduce smog in thousands of cities.  That was our government, pooling the expertise of thousands of chemists, engineers and atmospheric scientists, and crafting a policy in the interest of ordinary citizens trying to breathe.

Duh!
Catalytic converters were the direct result of public alarm over Smog( air pollution).
It was identifiable and obvious.(had been for decades)
Congress and the automobile industry responded and gasoline prices went up but we adapted.
Today there is no consensus on the threat of climate change and absolutely no proof that the elimination of gasoline driven autos will have any net positive effect on the environment since electricity is generated to large degrees by fossil fuels.( and will continue).