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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[jmmengel]

No sense wasting time on debating EVs.  Mechanical efficiency of an EV is 87-91%.  ICE is under 40%. 

Physics speaks more clearly than partisan dumbfuckery.

What speaks the most are sales figures .  You cannot make anyone buy a car they do not want no matter how many times you yell PHYSICS! Or feed them monetary inducements out of taxes from the rest of us.
Even Lime admits he needs to keep his ICE vehicle for driving that the EV cannot deliver reliably.

No, my EV is very reliable. It is an older model with a limited range, perfect for daily commutes and local errands. When we bought the new car, we went with ICE, not because an EV is not reliable, but because the infrastructure is not there yet to support our use of the car on vacations.

And I note you have abandoned the issue Oil called you out on, your LIE that ICE is more mechanically efficient. It is not.

I was right on both. 
The EV you have is unreliable for all your needs or you would it not need to keep the ICE model car.
The EV is not as mechanically reliable as a ICE vehicle given its inability to overcome poor infrastructure AND to withstand extreme weather conditions.

Those are facts.

I suspect an accused demagogue like Trump will soon be producing car bumper ads warning that
Biden is coming for your Cars  and Trucks.!


Because that is exactly what Biden wants. A BAN on the ICE.

[Hairy Lime]

No sense wasting time on debating EVs.  Mechanical efficiency of an EV is 87-91%.  ICE is under 40%. 

Physics speaks more clearly than partisan dumbfuckery.

What speaks the most are sales figures .  You cannot make anyone buy a car they do not want no matter how many times you yell PHYSICS! Or feed them monetary inducements out of taxes from the rest of us.
Even Lime admits he needs to keep his ICE vehicle for driving that the EV cannot deliver reliably.

No, my EV is very reliable. It is an older model with a limited range, perfect for daily commutes and local errands. When we bought the new car, we went with ICE, not because an EV is not reliable, but because the infrastructure is not there yet to support our use of the car on vacations.

And I note you have abandoned the issue Oil called you out on, your LIE that ICE is more mechanically efficient. It is not.

I was right on both. 
The EV you have is unreliable for all your needs or you would it not need to keep the ICE model car.
The EV is not as mechanically reliable as a ICE vehicle given its inability to overcome poor infrastructure AND to withstand extreme weather conditions.

Those are facts.

I suspect an accused demagogue like Trump will soon be producing car bumper ads warning that
Biden is coming for your Cars  and Trucks.!


Because that is exactly what Biden wants. A BAN on the ICE.

35% by 2032, you unrepentant intellectually dishonest PROVEN LIAR. And yeah, considering how many lies you and your fellow Trump lovers spew about Biden and his policies. you could add that to the "Biden is coming for your stove" lie.

And my EV is very reliable, no issues with extreme weather over 4 years. AND I FUCKING LIVE IN PHOENIX.

[Hairy Lime]

Dark Brandon is the best.

'Sorry, Donald': Joe Biden Unleashes Absolutely Vicious Joke At Trump's Expense
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-sorry-donald_n_65fd204be4b07c954d5545e5

[jmmengel]

No sense wasting time on debating EVs.  Mechanical efficiency of an EV is 87-91%.  ICE is under 40%. 

Physics speaks more clearly than partisan dumbfuckery.

What speaks the most are sales figures .  You cannot make anyone buy a car they do not want no matter how many times you yell PHYSICS! Or feed them monetary inducements out of taxes from the rest of us.
Even Lime admits he needs to keep his ICE vehicle for driving that the EV cannot deliver reliably.

No, my EV is very reliable. It is an older model with a limited range, perfect for daily commutes and local errands. When we bought the new car, we went with ICE, not because an EV is not reliable, but because the infrastructure is not there yet to support our use of the car on vacations.

And I note you have abandoned the issue Oil called you out on, your LIE that ICE is more mechanically efficient. It is not.

I was right on both. 
The EV you have is unreliable for all your needs or you would it not need to keep the ICE model car.
The EV is not as mechanically reliable as a ICE vehicle given its inability to overcome poor infrastructure AND to withstand extreme weather conditions.

Those are facts.

I suspect an accused demagogue like Trump will soon be producing car bumper ads warning that
Biden is coming for your Cars  and Trucks.!


Because that is exactly what Biden wants. A BAN on the ICE.

35% by 2032, you unrepentant intellectually dishonest PROVEN LIAR. And yeah, considering how many lies you and your fellow Trump lovers spew about Biden and his policies. you could add that to the "Biden is coming for your stove" lie.

And my EV is very reliable, no issues with extreme weather over 4 years. AND I FUCKING LIVE IN PHOENIX.

Good for you.
Too bad the EV industry cannot survive solely by sales in Arizona
But the Biden Ban is a dumb political stunt

Time for the latest SCOREBOARD!
 
6 in ten Independent voters, and nearly  8 in 10 GOPers are against a ban. Only democrats (53%) favor the idea. And just 51 % of those earning MORE than $150 K support a ban.
Smaller income groups are anti Ban.

[facilitatorn]

Red is trying to take his mind off of the central message and strategy of the republican campaign this year. It makes him feel like he is getting Covid all over again

http://www.salon.com/2024/03/22/criminal-cases-are-his-campaign/

[facilitatorn]

http://www.capitalone.com/cars/learn/finding-the-right-car/guide-to-aptera-evs-models-cost-availability-and-range/1666

Scoreboard.

[LarryB!]

No sense wasting time on debating EVs.  Mechanical efficiency of an EV is 87-91%.  ICE is under 40%. 

Physics speaks more clearly than partisan dumbfuckery.

What speaks the most are sales figures .  You cannot make anyone buy a car they do not want no matter how many times you yell PHYSICS! Or feed them monetary inducements out of taxes from the rest of us.
Even Lime admits he needs to keep his ICE vehicle for driving that the EV cannot deliver reliably.

Sales figure are lagging indicators for relatively new technology.

I live in DC and have solar panels on my  house. What do you think the sales figure for solar panels in the Mid Atlantic region were a decade ago?
Sit down, fool.

[Hairy Lime]

No sense wasting time on debating EVs.  Mechanical efficiency of an EV is 87-91%.  ICE is under 40%. 

Physics speaks more clearly than partisan dumbfuckery.

What speaks the most are sales figures .  You cannot make anyone buy a car they do not want no matter how many times you yell PHYSICS! Or feed them monetary inducements out of taxes from the rest of us.
Even Lime admits he needs to keep his ICE vehicle for driving that the EV cannot deliver reliably.

No, my EV is very reliable. It is an older model with a limited range, perfect for daily commutes and local errands. When we bought the new car, we went with ICE, not because an EV is not reliable, but because the infrastructure is not there yet to support our use of the car on vacations.

And I note you have abandoned the issue Oil called you out on, your LIE that ICE is more mechanically efficient. It is not.

I was right on both. 
The EV you have is unreliable for all your needs or you would it not need to keep the ICE model car.
The EV is not as mechanically reliable as a ICE vehicle given its inability to overcome poor infrastructure AND to withstand extreme weather conditions.

Those are facts.

I suspect an accused demagogue like Trump will soon be producing car bumper ads warning that
Biden is coming for your Cars  and Trucks.!


Because that is exactly what Biden wants. A BAN on the ICE.

35% by 2032, you unrepentant intellectually dishonest PROVEN LIAR. And yeah, considering how many lies you and your fellow Trump lovers spew about Biden and his policies. you could add that to the "Biden is coming for your stove" lie.

And my EV is very reliable, no issues with extreme weather over 4 years. AND I FUCKING LIVE IN PHOENIX.

Good for you.
Too bad the EV industry cannot survive solely by sales in Arizona

So what? You claimed EVs are unreliable in extreme weather. Phoenix defines extreme weather. Your comment was wrong.

But the Biden Ban is a dumb political stunt

35%, you unrepentant intellectually dishonest PROVEN LIAR.  That is not a ban. You continue to LIE about Biden, and then criticize him as if your LIE was true. LIAR.

Time for the latest SCOREBOARD!
 
6 in ten Independent voters, and nearly  8 in 10 GOPers are against a ban. Only democrats (53%) favor the idea. And just 51 % of those earning MORE than $150 K support a ban.
Smaller income groups are anti Ban.

You know who else.does not support banning ICEs? JOE BIDEN, you pathetic unrepentant intellectually dishonest PROVEN LIAR.

[Hairy Lime]

No sense wasting time on debating EVs.  Mechanical efficiency of an EV is 87-91%.  ICE is under 40%. 

Physics speaks more clearly than partisan dumbfuckery.

What speaks the most are sales figures .  You cannot make anyone buy a car they do not want no matter how many times you yell PHYSICS! Or feed them monetary inducements out of taxes from the rest of us.
Even Lime admits he needs to keep his ICE vehicle for driving that the EV cannot deliver reliably.

Sales figure are lagging indicators for relatively new technology.

I live in DC and have solar panels on my  house. What do you think the sales figure for solar panels in the Mid Atlantic region were a decade ago?
Sit down, fool.

RedDick's argument remains predicated on rapidly developing technology suddenly stopping, and consumer preferences remaining unchanged as the technology moves forward.

Well, also on proven lies he never actually disputes with anything other than pronouncements he does not and cannot offer support for.

[jmmengel]

You know who else.does not support banning ICEs? JOE BIDEN, you pathetic unrepentant intellectually dishonest PROVEN LIAR.

Strange way to oppose a ban by laying the groundwork for it.

[facilitatorn]

You know who else.does not support banning ICEs? JOE BIDEN, you pathetic unrepentant intellectually dishonest PROVEN LIAR.

Strange way to oppose a ban by laying the groundwork for it.

Since nobody besides yourself proposes that ban, there is no need to oppose it.

President Biden simply supports a different path to our transportation future which national policy encourages EVs and ICE vehicles sharing the ecosystem.


Conservatives and other bad investors hate competition.

[Hairy Lime]

You know who else.does not support banning ICEs? JOE BIDEN, you pathetic unrepentant intellectually dishonest PROVEN LIAR.

Strange way to oppose a ban by laying the groundwork for it.

Since nobody besides yourself proposes that ban, there is no need to oppose it.

President Biden simply supports a different path to our transportation future which national policy encourages EVs and ICE vehicles sharing the ecosystem.

Do not expect PROVEN LIAR RedDick to admit the obvious difference.

[Oiled]

You know who else.does not support banning ICEs? JOE BIDEN, you pathetic unrepentant intellectually dishonest PROVEN LIAR.

Strange way to oppose a ban by laying the groundwork for it.

Laying groundwork for an infrastructure for EV is to make travel successful, not to ban anything, you spurting anal fistula of falsehood. 

The I-90 and I- 29 corridor has plenty of fast-charging stations (100 amps plus) now, so the EV, with the latest battery warmer system, has crossed over from iffy to attractive for our longer trips.  Its ability to start in extreme conditions compares very well to most IC cars.  There are a couple dozen reasons a gas or diesel engine won't start; there is only one reason an EV motor won't turn.  The fewer fail pathways, the more reliable the system. 

[jmmengel]

You know who else.does not support banning ICEs? JOE BIDEN, you pathetic unrepentant intellectually dishonest PROVEN LIAR.

Strange way to oppose a ban by laying the groundwork for it.

Laying groundwork for an infrastructure for EV is to make travel successful, not to ban anything, you spurting anal fistula of falsehood. 

Sorry.  Biden wants to ban ICE cars.
Try to stay focused.

The I-90 and I- 29 corridor has plenty of fast-charging stations (100 amps plus) now, so the EV, with the latest battery warmer system, has crossed over from iffy to attractive for our longer trips.  Its ability to start in extreme conditions compares very well to most IC cars.  There are a couple dozen reasons a gas or diesel engine won't start; there is only one reason an EV motor won't turn.  The fewer fail pathways, the more reliable the system.

Interesting, but irrelevant and immaterial.

[Hairy Lime]

You know who else.does not support banning ICEs? JOE BIDEN, you pathetic unrepentant intellectually dishonest PROVEN LIAR.

Strange way to oppose a ban by laying the groundwork for it.

Laying groundwork for an infrastructure for EV is to make travel successful, not to ban anything, you spurting anal fistula of falsehood. 

Sorry.  Biden wants to ban ICE cars.

35% by 2032, LIAR.

Try to stay focused.

Try to stop lying. I realize I might as well ask you to try to stop breathing you pathetic unrepentant intellectually dishonest PROVEN LIAR.

The I-90 and I- 29 corridor has plenty of fast-charging stations (100 amps plus) now, so the EV, with the latest battery warmer system, has crossed over from iffy to attractive for our longer trips.  Its ability to start in extreme conditions compares very well to most IC cars.  There are a couple dozen reasons a gas or diesel engine won't start; there is only one reason an EV motor won't turn.  The fewer fail pathways, the more reliable the system.

Interesting, but irrelevant and immaterial.

LIAR. You falsely claimed ICE are more efficient and Oil has just shown you one.way your statement was a lie.