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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[LarryB!]

Today, the Court puts bump stocks back in civilian hands. To do so, it casts aside Congresss definition of machinegun and seizes upon one that is inconsistent with the ordinary meaning of the statutory text and unsupported by context or purpose.

Justice Sotomayor calls Bullshit in her dissent.

Wrong.
Guns that fire multiple rounds with one pull of the trigger are automatic weapons and not sold to the public
Bump stocks require multiple pulls of the trigger making it a semiautomatic weapon as defined multiple times by the ATF.
Now SCOTUS has weighed in with the same opinion.
The ball is now in Congress hands where it should be.
FTR. Over a half million Americans own bump stocks per the ATF.

Nope. A standard AR-15 semiautomatic rifle loaded with .223/5.56mm can fire up to 45 rounds per minute.

it can only fire one round per trigger pull.

Bump stocks are conversion devices for semi-automatic AR type weapons that effectively harness the guns recoil to increase its rate of fire to up to 800 rounds per minute. Bump stocks were designed to mimic automatic gunfire while evading the laws that ban machine guns.

Machine Guns fire multiple rounds  with one trigger pull. They are illegal.
The ATF has declared numerous times that bump stocks do not turn semi automatic rifles into illegal automatic weapons.
SCOTUS confirmed.
Both Biden AND Trump were wrong on the issue

Nah.

On December 18, 2018 the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), stated bump stocks fall within the definition of machinegun under federal law, as such devices allow a shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger.

The final rule clarifies that the definition of  machinegun in the Gun Control Act (GCA) and National Firearms Act (NFA) includes bump-stock-type devices, i.e., devices that allow a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter.

[Hairy Lime]

Who is saving Democracy?

Biden and the Democrats.

SCOTUS ruled 6-3 overturning efforts by Trump AND Biden to  outlaw bump stocks on guns.
For the umpteenth time the Court says that is the job of Congress according to the Constitution.

Which of course is not the issue. The issue is whether Congress's existing delegation of administrative powers to the executive covers the regulation. It was an Administrative Law decision, not a Constitutional one. But your right wing web sites ignore such things.

If this election is supposed to save democracy why are the choices two edsels, as observed by George Will?

George Will? Seems a bit of an ironic comment coming from him.

[jmmengel]

Today, the Court puts bump stocks back in civilian hands. To do so, it casts aside Congresss definition of machinegun and seizes upon one that is inconsistent with the ordinary meaning of the statutory text and unsupported by context or purpose.

Justice Sotomayor calls Bullshit in her dissent.

Wrong.
Guns that fire multiple rounds with one pull of the trigger are automatic weapons and not sold to the public
Bump stocks require multiple pulls of the trigger making it a semiautomatic weapon as defined multiple times by the ATF.
Now SCOTUS has weighed in with the same opinion.
The ball is now in Congress hands where it should be.
FTR. Over a half million Americans own bump stocks per the ATF.

Nope. A standard AR-15 semiautomatic rifle loaded with .223/5.56mm can fire up to 45 rounds per minute.

it can only fire one round per trigger pull.

Bump stocks are conversion devices for semi-automatic AR type weapons that effectively harness the guns recoil to increase its rate of fire to up to 800 rounds per minute. Bump stocks were designed to mimic automatic gunfire while evading the laws that ban machine guns.

Machine Guns fire multiple rounds  with one trigger pull. They are illegal.
The ATF has declared numerous times that bump stocks do not turn semi automatic rifles into illegal automatic weapons.
SCOTUS confirmed.
Both Biden AND Trump were wrong on the issue

Nah.

On December 18, 2018 the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), stated bump stocks fall within the definition of machinegun under federal law, as such devices allow a shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger.

The final rule clarifies that the definition of  machinegun in the Gun Control Act (GCA) and National Firearms Act (NFA) includes bump-stock-type devices, i.e., devices that allow a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter.

That final rule was ordered by Trump which was defended by Biden but successively challenged and overturned by SCOTUS.

[jmmengel]

Completely contradicts your idea, expressed so often last week, that the case turned on the anodyne bromide that Congress has to act for the executive to ban bump stocks.

On the contrary that is how SCOTUS ruled.

[Hairy Lime]

Completely contradicts your idea, expressed so often last week, that the case turned on the anodyne bromide that Congress has to act for the executive to ban bump stocks.

On the contrary that is how SCOTUS ruled.

(T)he decision turned on a routine dispute over statutory language, not the power of the executive. Not that you will ever admit this, because you are an intellectually dishonest PROVEN LIAR who refuses to ever admit either error or the legitimate arguments of the people you disagree with.

[LarryB!]

Today, the Court puts bump stocks back in civilian hands. To do so, it casts aside Congresss definition of machinegun and seizes upon one that is inconsistent with the ordinary meaning of the statutory text and unsupported by context or purpose.

Justice Sotomayor calls Bullshit in her dissent.

Wrong.
Guns that fire multiple rounds with one pull of the trigger are automatic weapons and not sold to the public
Bump stocks require multiple pulls of the trigger making it a semiautomatic weapon as defined multiple times by the ATF.
Now SCOTUS has weighed in with the same opinion.
The ball is now in Congress hands where it should be.
FTR. Over a half million Americans own bump stocks per the ATF.

Nope. A standard AR-15 semiautomatic rifle loaded with .223/5.56mm can fire up to 45 rounds per minute.

it can only fire one round per trigger pull.

Bump stocks are conversion devices for semi-automatic AR type weapons that effectively harness the guns recoil to increase its rate of fire to up to 800 rounds per minute. Bump stocks were designed to mimic automatic gunfire while evading the laws that ban machine guns.

Machine Guns fire multiple rounds  with one trigger pull. They are illegal.
The ATF has declared numerous times that bump stocks do not turn semi automatic rifles into illegal automatic weapons.
SCOTUS confirmed.
Both Biden AND Trump were wrong on the issue

Nah.

On December 18, 2018 the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), stated bump stocks fall within the definition of machinegun under federal law, as such devices allow a shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger.

The final rule clarifies that the definition of  machinegun in the Gun Control Act (GCA) and National Firearms Act (NFA) includes bump-stock-type devices, i.e., devices that allow a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter.

That final rule was ordered by Trump which was defended by Biden but successively challenged and overturned by SCOTUS.

Overturned through pretzel logic by the guy who sees no reason to disclose multi millions of dollar gifts in spite of the rules that require such. The guy who benefited from affirmative action in order to climb the ladder to success then pulled said ladder up behind him.

Fuck Clarence Thomas and his self loathing pathologies.

[jmmengel]

Today, the Court puts bump stocks back in civilian hands. To do so, it casts aside Congresss definition of machinegun and seizes upon one that is inconsistent with the ordinary meaning of the statutory text and unsupported by context or purpose.

Justice Sotomayor calls Bullshit in her dissent.

Wrong.
Guns that fire multiple rounds with one pull of the trigger are automatic weapons and not sold to the public
Bump stocks require multiple pulls of the trigger making it a semiautomatic weapon as defined multiple times by the ATF.
Now SCOTUS has weighed in with the same opinion.
The ball is now in Congress hands where it should be.
FTR. Over a half million Americans own bump stocks per the ATF.

Nope. A standard AR-15 semiautomatic rifle loaded with .223/5.56mm can fire up to 45 rounds per minute.

it can only fire one round per trigger pull.

Bump stocks are conversion devices for semi-automatic AR type weapons that effectively harness the guns recoil to increase its rate of fire to up to 800 rounds per minute. Bump stocks were designed to mimic automatic gunfire while evading the laws that ban machine guns.

Machine Guns fire multiple rounds  with one trigger pull. They are illegal.
The ATF has declared numerous times that bump stocks do not turn semi automatic rifles into illegal automatic weapons.
SCOTUS confirmed.
Both Biden AND Trump were wrong on the issue

Nah.

On December 18, 2018 the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), stated bump stocks fall within the definition of machinegun under federal law, as such devices allow a shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger.

The final rule clarifies that the definition of  machinegun in the Gun Control Act (GCA) and National Firearms Act (NFA) includes bump-stock-type devices, i.e., devices that allow a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter.

That final rule was ordered by Trump which was defended by Biden but successively challenged and overturned by SCOTUS.

Overturned through pretzel logic by the guy who sees no reason to disclose multi millions of dollar gifts in spite of the rules that require such. The guy who benefited from affirmative action in order to climb the ladder to success then pulled said ladder up behind him.

Fuck Clarence Thomas and his self loathing pathologies.

HE AND 5 Others Who also had ATF history saying the same thing.
You think Trump was right?
I do not.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/when-are-trump-supporters-complicit/678704/

[LarryB!]

Today, the Court puts bump stocks back in civilian hands. To do so, it casts aside Congresss definition of machinegun and seizes upon one that is inconsistent with the ordinary meaning of the statutory text and unsupported by context or purpose.

Justice Sotomayor calls Bullshit in her dissent.

Wrong.
Guns that fire multiple rounds with one pull of the trigger are automatic weapons and not sold to the public
Bump stocks require multiple pulls of the trigger making it a semiautomatic weapon as defined multiple times by the ATF.
Now SCOTUS has weighed in with the same opinion.
The ball is now in Congress hands where it should be.
FTR. Over a half million Americans own bump stocks per the ATF.

Nope. A standard AR-15 semiautomatic rifle loaded with .223/5.56mm can fire up to 45 rounds per minute.

it can only fire one round per trigger pull.

Bump stocks are conversion devices for semi-automatic AR type weapons that effectively harness the guns recoil to increase its rate of fire to up to 800 rounds per minute. Bump stocks were designed to mimic automatic gunfire while evading the laws that ban machine guns.

Machine Guns fire multiple rounds  with one trigger pull. They are illegal.
The ATF has declared numerous times that bump stocks do not turn semi automatic rifles into illegal automatic weapons.
SCOTUS confirmed.
Both Biden AND Trump were wrong on the issue

Nah.

On December 18, 2018 the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), stated bump stocks fall within the definition of machinegun under federal law, as such devices allow a shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger.

The final rule clarifies that the definition of  machinegun in the Gun Control Act (GCA) and National Firearms Act (NFA) includes bump-stock-type devices, i.e., devices that allow a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter.

That final rule was ordered by Trump which was defended by Biden but successively challenged and overturned by SCOTUS.

Overturned through pretzel logic by the guy who sees no reason to disclose multi millions of dollar gifts in spite of the rules that require such. The guy who benefited from affirmative action in order to climb the ladder to success then pulled said ladder up behind him.

Fuck Clarence Thomas and his self loathing pathologies.

HE AND 5 Others Who also had ATF history saying the same thing.
You think Trump was right?
I do not.

Again, another case that you do not understand.

I understand it fully.
I read the decision.
You did not bother.

It was a sucker bet.

Trump and the NRA knew they would end up kicking this to SCOTUS.


Trump was faced with an unpalatable choice: do nothing and alienate mainstream voters or push Congress to legislate a ban, which would infuriate some gun-rights voters in the GOPs base and highlight divisions within his own party.

Trump found a third option that lowered the temperature on the gun-control debate in the short term - robbing momentum from congressional efforts to ban bump stocks - and kicked the issue to a conservative-leaning Supreme Court.

Taking a cue from the National Rifle Association, Trump used his executive authority to write a Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives regulation banning bump stocks


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-nra-counted-court-bump-stocks-legal-rcna157186

[jmmengel]

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Could not have said  it any better tmyself.
Oh wait.  I already did,
.

[LarryB!]

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Could not have said  it any better tmyself.
Oh wait.  I already did,
.

LMAO


Nice of you to provide a functioning link for your reference. Oh wait. You did not.

Three days ago I said Trump knew SCOTUS would get the decision and Thomas proceeded to twist himself into
looop de loops to justify this nonsense along with Amen corner nodding their heads like grinning cretins.


 

[jmmengel]

[quote+ author=jmmengel link=topic=179.msg247658#msg247658 date=1718636619]



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Could not have said  it any better tmyself.
Oh wait.  I already did,
.

LMAO


Nice of you to provide a functioning link for your reference. Oh wait. You did not.

Three days ago I said Trump knew SCOTUS would get the decision and Thomas proceeded to twist himself into
looop de loops to justify this nonsense along with Amen corner nodding their heads like grinning cretins.

The only twisting done was by Trump when he forced an administrative  change he had no power to do and also went against the textual language in the original statuue.
And Biden then defended Trump s mistake.

Two EDSELS
WE deserve better.

[facilitatorn]

We deserve four more years of the best president you have ever experienced.

You deserve to be eaten by rats.

[bambu.]

Bolt action rifles only, would allow the second Amendment to still operate successfully, and American society to be much safer.

[jmmengel]

Bolt action rifles only, would allow the second Amendment to still operate successfully, and American society to be much safer.

The worst way to stage a mass killing is with a bump stock.