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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[facilitatorn]

The same authors, creators and publishers that give Red his gross and perpetually inaccurate view of the world effectively stopped any message getting through about either candidate or their policies. This not only happened through their direct audiences but also through the gravity their grooming and gaslighting exerted on the wider conversation. Combining that effect with the fact that we have become a society where it is easier, less boring and less lonely to tune out completely and no reasonable, helpful or importantly message has a chance to break through to even a stable plurality of the electorate.

Therefore issues with the message are greatly overshadowed by issues with the means of delivery.

I do not see any clear answers at the moment as to how that problem gets fixed.

Even the very best version of twentieth century politics does not hold up right now.

[facilitatorn]

I like our chances better if trump dumps and we have to face Vance as the devil in the top seat.

[FlyingVProd]

We can do a lot of things ourselves without Government help if we would organize and come together.

For instance, I have a friend from New York, and her neighborhood got together and sent young people from their neighborhood to college to become Doctors to come back to New York and practice medicine in their neighborhood, her neighborhood got together as a team and they solved their problems without the aid of the Government.

When I went to Mexico with Youth For Christ, it was all out of love, we gave money and gifts to orphans and to people living in a garbage dump, we did it out of love. The Government was not needed. We could help in Mexico without the help of the Government, and we can have our own guys with guns to protect us, etc, when I worked at Universal Studios then we had our own police department, it is great to have your own police force. The Catholic Church can help in Mexico, and they can build Catholic Schools, Catholic Hospitals, and Catholic Orphanages, etc.

And Kiwanis International can help, and the Peace Corps can help, etc.

Also of note, on the issue of making movies, the Japanese are buying our studios and they are a huge part of the Film and Television Industry, and the Japanese need to know that Filmmaking is a Craft, and films are made by artists who have had to sacrifice for their craft and they starved while they studied and trained, and the Japanese Business Men do not mean shit when it comes to making movies. Talented Artists and Beautiful Women are what it takes to make movies and television shows, and it does not matter where the money comes from or who the bosses are, we can get money from The San Miguel Corporation from the Philippines to make movies, or from the Coors Beer Company of Colorado, it does not matter where the money comes from, what matters is the talent of the artists and the beauty of the women, etc. I have been trying to bring the Film and Television Industry to Anaheim, and we have Chapman film school 15 miles from Anaheim City Hall. We do not need any help from Japan to make movies, and we can get help from the Philippines if we need help.

Salute,

Tony V.

[Oilcandide]

Therefore issues with the message are greatly overshadowed by issues with the means of delivery.

Thumb up for the whole post. 

[Oilcandide]

I think Trump understands tariffs perfectly. Demagogues say what they have to.

Yup. The guy on the assembly line hears the tough tariffs talk and doesn't think won't that backfire?  Instead, he/she thinks Trump feels our pain and wants to protect our jobs. 

[jmmengel]

I think Trump understands tariffs perfectly. Demagogues say what they have to.

Yup. The guy on the assembly line hears the tough tariffs talk and doesn't think won't that backfire?  Instead, he/she thinks Trump feels our pain and wants to protect our jobs.

Then please explain how Trump this year  built a multiracial, working-class majority with surges in  Black and Hispanic workers. He also recorded astonishing gains in places like New Jersey, the Bronx, Chicago, Dallas and Houston. According to the NBC exit polls, he won a third of voters of color. He

[bambu.]

Trump should start The Great American Steel Company, owned by the govt...run by a Board answerable to the govt.

Also The Great American Manufacturing Corporation...same deal.

"Buy American (made), buy your kids and you jobs".

Soon off the assembly line...
"The Great American Fridge".

[Food for Thoth]

I think Trump understands tariffs perfectly. Demagogues say what they have to.

Yup. The guy on the assembly line hears the tough tariffs talk and doesn't think won't that backfire?  Instead, he/she thinks Trump feels our pain and wants to protect our jobs.

Then please explain how Trump this year  built a multiracial, working-class majority with surges in  Black and Hispanic workers. He also recorded astonishing gains in places like New Jersey, the Bronx, Chicago, Dallas and Houston. According to the NBC exit polls, he won a third of voters of color. He

Wha?  Not sure you read my post?   

I was saying that Trump made gains with the working class.  And some of the psychology behind that.  Where are we disagreeing?

[Food for Thoth]

Tight path for Gallego.  Kinda scary to see Lake come that close.   Hope those uncounted votes aren't out in Bumfark.

[jmmengel]

I think Trump understands tariffs perfectly. Demagogues say what they have to.

Yup. The guy on the assembly line hears the tough tariffs talk and doesn't think won't that backfire?  Instead, he/she thinks Trump feels our pain and wants to protect our jobs.

Then please explain how Trump this year  built a multiracial, working-class majority with surges in  Black and Hispanic workers. He also recorded astonishing gains in places like New Jersey, the Bronx, Chicago, Dallas and Houston. According to the NBC exit polls, he won a third of voters of color. He

Wha?  Not sure you read my post?   

I was saying that Trump made gains with the working class.  And some of the psychology behind that.  Where are we disagreeing?

of course I read it.
Did you? Or are you trying to say that the massive Trump Blowout was not built on Trump promises to working folk in 2016.
Or have you been asleep all the intervening years ?

[Food for Thoth]

Hmm.  Some sort of communication issue here and not sure what's interrupting the signal.  Enjoy the beautiful autumn day.

[FlyingVProd]

Japan is about the same size as California, with almost the same GDP, in California the GDP is 3.6 Trillion, and in Japan the GDP is 4.2 Trillion, and Japan has twice as many people as California.

Japan is trying to bully us on the Steel, and we need to put them in their place.

Japan is also investing big in the Film and Television Industry. We need for the Philippines to come to Hollywood to make movies and television shows, and the French and the Italians are welcome here in Hollywood, etc.

I like China much more than I like Japan.

And I love the Philippines.

Salute,

Tony V.

[luee]

I hope Santa Joe got the message, enough with the illegal aliens please. Vets and the poor are sleeping in the streets. No inexpensive housing, no funds for social programs, inflation running rampant. Poor Kamala should have distanced herself instead of being a blind loyalist. So disastrous. Now the narcissist prez to be is going to raise tariffs and lower taxes for the wealthy. Now if he can at least send back 5 million or so.

[facilitatorn]

I think Trump understands tariffs perfectly. Demagogues say what they have to.

Yup. The guy on the assembly line hears the tough tariffs talk and doesn't think won't that backfire?  Instead, he/she thinks Trump feels our pain and wants to protect our jobs.

Then please explain how Trump this year  built a multiracial, working-class majority with surges in  Black and Hispanic workers. He also recorded astonishing gains in places like New Jersey, the Bronx, Chicago, Dallas and Houston. According to the NBC exit polls, he won a third of voters of color. He

He lied to everybody about everything and got enough shitty evil people who should know better to lie with him so that those lies were most of what most people who heard enough to actually vote heard.

He also avoided and delayed prosecution for his many crimes long enough that he did not spend most of campaign season confined to a cell as our laws clearly state he should in light of just the public evidence.

May you and your master both rot in hell right away.

[facilitatorn]

I hope Santa Joe got the message, enough with the illegal aliens please. Vets and the poor are sleeping in the streets. No inexpensive housing, no funds for social programs, inflation running rampant. Poor Kamala should have distanced herself instead of being a blind loyalist. So disastrous. Now the narcissist prez to be is going to raise tariffs and lower taxes for the wealthy. Now if he can at least send back 5 million or so.

Vets and the poor are so fucked right now.