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bankshot1

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Re: American League
« Reply #1305 on: December 17, 2018, 03:18:01 PM »

I think it safe to say the poster who made the WS argument doesn't understand that baseball is a team game, and one where pitching has a much greater impact of W than any single player.

Yet holding Yaz accountable for Sox failures in the WS ('67 and '75) and diminshing him for that, but not holding Trout to the same standard, seems hypocritical.

IMO the Sox facing two juggernauts in the 60s Cards and 70s Reds were huge underdogs but took both series to 7 games. And who knows maybe if Tony C  played in '67 or Rie in '75, events would have turned out different.

Our dumbfukk poster should probably take a look at Yaz's WS #s, they are better than his regulat season #s. The guy performed pretty well on the big stage.

But he may be correct the Trout may be the next best player.

If he can manage to put a 10.6 WAR year in '19, he will match the 4-year average WAR (9.5) Yaz compiled in '67-70.
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Re: Baseball Trivia
« Reply #1306 on: December 17, 2018, 04:59:58 PM »

I guess you missed early Doc
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Re: Baseball Trivia
« Reply #1307 on: December 17, 2018, 08:04:10 PM »

I guess you missed early Doc

In this thread?

Yes, yes I did!
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Re: American League
« Reply #1308 on: December 18, 2018, 08:01:15 AM »

Met the switch hitting MVP Blue.  Impressive guy.

May be spoken about much more if not for the drug thing....Keith and others got the benefit....more so....seems.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1309 on: December 18, 2018, 08:17:55 AM »

Yastrzemski hit .326 to go with 44 home runs and 121 RBI, 112 runs and 189 hits, all leading the league. As a result, he was a no-brainer for the MVP award that year, and a massive 12.2 WAR was thanks to great defense as well. In 1967. Total bases 360. Ops 1.040. A great season.

Joe Morgan in 1975,  led the league with 132 walks while batting .327 with 67 stolen bases, 17 home runs and 94 RBI. That and a WAR of 12 led to his first of two MVP awards. 1.020 ops. A great season... because...

Morgan won the World Series, too.

Yaz?..uh, no. Never won.

Arguing that to be a great player, one had to have won the championship?

No.

Was comparing the two great seasons in which they had 12 WAR. Topping it off with a World Series Championship adds value to that season, don't you think?
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Re: American League
« Reply #1310 on: December 18, 2018, 08:54:45 AM »

I think it safe to say the poster who made the WS argument doesn't understand that baseball is a team game, and one where pitching has a much greater impact of W than any single player.

Yet holding Yaz accountable for Sox failures in the WS ('67 and '75) and diminshing him for that, but not holding Trout to the same standard, seems hypocritical.

IMO the Sox facing two juggernauts in the 60s Cards and 70s Reds were huge underdogs but took both series to 7 games. And who knows maybe if Tony C  played in '67 or Rie in '75, events would have turned out different.

Our dumbfukk poster should probably take a look at Yaz's WS #s, they are better than his regulat season #s. The guy performed pretty well on the big stage.

But he may be correct the Trout may be the next best player.

If he can manage to put a 10.6 WAR year in '19, he will match the 4-year average WAR (9.5) Yaz compiled in '67-70.

Not sure why you take things so personally.

Maybe get some AMT.

If I had to win a game, any game, and I needed a key hit to keep an inning alive or to win it, and I had Yaz on the bench, in his prime, or Joe Morgan in his, I'd pick Morgan. The 5-tool player always gets precedence.

But, if you want your guy Yaz, I wouldn't take issue with it.

Ease up on the insults, now, cowboy.

 
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Re: American League
« Reply #1311 on: December 18, 2018, 09:17:42 AM »

there was nothhing personnel-I agreed with the poster who characterized your opinion as a "dumfukk" take,

and nothing you've posted since would change my mind.

btw with your recent name change you may be Elba's first 5-troll poster

or now that I start recalling them, it might be 6, 7 or 8

heh

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Re: American League
« Reply #1312 on: December 18, 2018, 09:56:07 AM »

there was nothhing personnel-I agreed with the poster who characterized your opinion as a "dumfukk" take,

and nothing you've posted since would change my mind.

btw with your recent name change you may be Elba's first 5-troll poster

or now that I start recalling them, it might be 6, 7 or 8

heh

You seem to be under a lot of stress. Hope you get the help you need. Tough time of year for those dealing with depression.

Good luck.

Oh, and get a spell check app. Might help you be better understood by others.

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bankshot1

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Re: American League
« Reply #1313 on: December 18, 2018, 11:18:35 AM »

there was nothhing personnel-I agreed with the poster who characterized your opinion as a "dumfukk" take,

and nothing you've posted since would change my mind.

btw with your recent name change you may be Elba's first 5-troll poster

or now that I start recalling them, it might be 6, 7 or 8

heh

You seem to be under a lot of stress. Hope you get the help you need. Tough time of year for those dealing with depression.

Good luck.

Oh, and get a spell check app. Might help you be better understood by others.

The topic under discussion was the best player you had seen personally. I took that to mean actually being in the ballpark watching them play.

I and others mentioned several players we individually thought answered the question.

Yaz was the last name I offered, and I gave reasons why he belonged in the discussion, mostly becasue he was the best player in baseball as measured by WAR in the '67-70 period. But i could have gone with multiple batting titles (3) or  OPS leader (4), GG (7), or AS appearances (18). And i had seen him and a few others personally, so he seemed like a good name to mention.

You're obssession with anti-Boston then led you to an idiotic argument about WS success diminshing Yaz as a player. and had little to do with the discussion at hand.

And it was contested by me and others.

And other than finding a few last minute stocking stuffers, stress seems under control.

I hope you enjoy "Baseball for Dummies" I found for you. It should help you understand the game.

Happy Holidays

and not that it makes a whole lot of difference, I don't know where you're getting your stats, but Yaz's WAR in '67 was 12.5, and Morgan's was 11.0 in '75.

And Yaz's 12.5 in '67 was the highest WAR since Babe Ruth's WAR in 1921 and 1923.

Yaz was that good in '67.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_bat_season.shtml

 
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HamiltonIII

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Re: American League
« Reply #1314 on: December 18, 2018, 12:03:48 PM »

Not winning championships is a marker, just the way it is.

I don't think you invented baseball, and there is no template for being a fan of the game, so hop off the high horse, cowboy.

Meantime, you are correct, I misquoted Morgan's WAR. Used another source, and don't recall which one, at the moment.

I was perusing that baseball-reference site, though, and found another reason to rank Morgan ahead of Yaz. Check out this list:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Baseball's_100_Greatest_Players

I "personally saw" (your words) the following players on that list: 

Willie Mays
 
Hank Aaron
Johnny Bench
Mickey Mantle
 
Roberto Clemente
Warren Spahn
Frank Robinson
 
Pete Rose
Sandy Koufax
 
Mike Schmidt
 
Steve Carlton
Bob Gibson
Tom Seaver
 
Barry Bonds
 
Ernie Banks
Greg Maddux
 
Nolan Ryan
 
Reggie Jackson
Tony Gwynn
 
Rickey Henderson
 
Roger Clemens
 
George Brett
Willie McCovey
 
Lou Brock
 
Joe Morgan
Rod Carew
 
Eddie Mathews
Jim Palmer
 
 
Harmon Killebrew
 
Juan Marichal
Carl Yastrzemski
 
Al Kaline
Eddie Murray
Cal Ripken, Jr.
 
Brooks Robinson
Willie Stargell
 
 
Kirby Puckett
Ozzie Smith
 
Goose Goslin
 
Mark McGwire
 
Ken Griffey, Jr.
Dave Winfield
Wade Boggs
Rollie Fingers
Gaylord Perry
Dennis Eckersley
Paul Molitor
 

A little surprised Robin Yount isn't also on that greatest 100 players list.

 Enjoy your Yaz.

 ;)
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HamiltonIII

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Re: American League
« Reply #1315 on: December 18, 2018, 12:11:12 PM »

Oh, one more thing. Wins matter:

Offensive Winning Percentage The percentage of games a team with nine of this player batting would win. Assumes average pitching and defense.

Joe Morgan: .702
Yaz: .677

Have a super day!
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bankshot1

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Re: American League
« Reply #1316 on: December 18, 2018, 12:17:55 PM »

HEH

I did enjoy watching Yaz he was a great ballplayer.

probably as much as you enjoyed personally watching Goose Goslin, who's final game was in 1938.

and wins do matter but, its not a fantasy game, its a team game.

You might want to return "Baseball for Dummies" it might be too advanced for you.

Happy Holidays

Ho-ho-heh
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HamiltonIII

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Re: American League
« Reply #1317 on: December 18, 2018, 12:56:24 PM »

Wow. If you get this pissed just because someone doesn't swoon over your favorite player, what happens when you have real issues in your life?



Sorry you couldn't handle this rather benign topic.

In other far more important news, https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090



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bankshot1

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Re: American League
« Reply #1318 on: December 18, 2018, 01:03:25 PM »

Wow. If you get this pissed just because someone doesn't swoon over your favorite player, what happens when you have real issues in your life?



Sorry you couldn't handle this rather benign topic.

In other far more important news, https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090

HEH

wrong again troll

I'm not pissed but amused by your idiocy.

you got challenged by several posters on your irrelavant inclusion of a team statistic, when the topic was individual performance, so you got defensive and decided insults were the way to go.

you made the wrong choice moron.

SSDD

Goose Goslin

heh
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