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ALDS - Rays vs. Astros (See Predictions for Twins vs. Yankees.)

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Voting closed: October 04, 2019, 11:37:25 PM


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Re: American League
« Reply #1155 on: December 10, 2018, 12:27:04 PM »

His selection strengthens Dwight Evans candidacy if you care.
Not sure why Baines over Will Clark or Joe Carter, let alone Evans or Albert Belle. Well, ok, Baines was never a solid gold ill-hearted full bore asshole, but still.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1156 on: December 10, 2018, 12:34:35 PM »

I'm actually not a huge fan of Lee Smith being in the Hall of Fame, either, but I suppose I can be convinced about him. 
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Re: American League
« Reply #1157 on: December 10, 2018, 04:46:14 PM »

I wouldn't have voted for Smith, but at least a case can be made for the guy.

I don't see the case for Baines.

Just took a look, and he only got 6% of the vote when he was eligible.

If they're going to let the Vets committee let their buddies in, they should put in some qualifiers, like receiving a minimum of 65% of BBWAA HoF votes.

His election is a sham.

And he will by default become the new Rabbit!
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Re: American League
« Reply #1158 on: December 10, 2018, 05:44:55 PM »

% when eligible isnt pertinent.

These committees were formed for that reason - to find overlooed guys

I know there are many anti-Biggio guys, so this wont hold water with them - but my thought on Baines when he played was to watch that countdown to 3000

And I find 134 hits negligible.  Great hitter for a long time.  Was actually better statistically after age 30.

Maybe hold on to "THESE NEW COMMITTEES ARE SILLY" - that would speak to the issue.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1159 on: December 10, 2018, 05:46:56 PM »

Anti-Baines guys have plenty to go on

100 runs - never
40 2B - never
30 HR - never
75 BB - never
Black ink - (led league)    ONE (SLG)
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Re: American League
« Reply #1160 on: December 10, 2018, 05:52:36 PM »

If Baines is in because of his bat alone (while he was a decent OF he essentially didn't wear a glove the last 10 years of his career) then Edgar seems the easiest of slam dunks.

It seems that Baines, oddly, benefitted from falling out of the regular selection process so soon.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1161 on: December 10, 2018, 05:56:22 PM »

Was Edgar on the list of players/managers/execs for this particular committee to vote YES on?

Not sure he was.  BELLE was - might better use him for your point.

These new committees will certainly slant toward the Hall becoming more inclusive.

Like I said - hate the fact the committees even exist, if you so choose.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1162 on: December 10, 2018, 05:59:54 PM »

% when eligible isnt pertinent.

These committees were formed for that reason - to find overlooed guys



% vote is certainly pertinent as its an accurate yardstick of how he was measured when he was eligible to be voted for the Hall.

And he wasn't overlooked, but only 1 of 16 voters (at most) thought his 20+ year career was worthy of Hof enshrinement.

If he got 66% rather than 6% you might take it to the next level, but he was rejected by the generally accepted protocol, and 94% of the voters.

This seeming act of cronyism cheapens the HoF.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1163 on: December 10, 2018, 06:00:56 PM »

This seeming act of cronyism cheapens the HoF.

And we're back to Rabbit Maranville.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1164 on: December 10, 2018, 06:05:57 PM »

I read elsewhere that Harold had a lot of support on the "Era Committee" from a past owner, gm who traded for him, managers, and some ex-teamates who all thought he was a great guy.
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« Reply #1165 on: December 10, 2018, 06:11:53 PM »

Was Edgar on the list of players/managers/execs for this particular committee to vote YES on?

Not sure he was.  BELLE was - might better use him for your point.

These new committees will certainly slant toward the Hall becoming more inclusive.

Like I said - hate the fact the committees even exist, if you so choose.
Martinez is still on the real ballot.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1166 on: December 11, 2018, 08:11:44 AM »

Syndergaard to Yanks setting NY afire...
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Re: American League
« Reply #1167 on: December 11, 2018, 03:50:51 PM »

Syndergaard to Yanks setting NY afire...

But out on the Bryce Harper sweeps. Still discussing Manny M.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1168 on: December 11, 2018, 03:52:21 PM »

Nobody is out on anybody. 
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Re: American League
« Reply #1169 on: December 11, 2018, 04:06:07 PM »

And for the record, I'm not all that excited about the Yankees giving up Andujar and whoever else for Syndergaard, who has hardly been a paradigm of durability.  Though I guess this is another thing I can be convinced about.
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