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Re: American League
« Reply #1230 on: December 16, 2018, 09:57:03 AM »

Never saw Mays in person, but like yank saw a few alltime greats play past their primes.

As we're talking players and not hitters, (Pedro and Clemens etc. excluded for simplicity) today, I'd probably go

Aaron
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Peak

ARod
Frank Robby
Griffey Jr.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1231 on: December 16, 2018, 10:39:26 AM »

Passing on a question from MLB Twitter:

Who is the best player you have seen in person?
Probably Ken Griffey Jr., Alex Rodriguez or Frank Robinson. For.pitchers, Randy Johnson. I also saw Verlander's MLB debut.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1232 on: December 16, 2018, 10:42:46 AM »

Peak

ARod
Frank Robby
Griffey Jr.
Yaz
Uh... I realize he is a New England icon, but he is kind of in a non-jock holding relationship ship with the other three. It.would be like listing Kaline.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1233 on: December 16, 2018, 11:14:24 AM »

Peak

ARod
Frank Robby
Griffey Jr.
Yaz
Uh... I realize he is a New England icon, but he is kind of in a non-jock holding relationship ship with the other three. It.would be like listing Kaline.

Yaz?

I mostly threw him in for old-time and conversational sakes. But you may want to take a gander at his stats and WAR in the '67-'70 period. He AVERAGED 9.5 WAR in those 4 years, and during a time when pitching was dominant,

AND his '67 season was the single greatest year I've seen any player have in watching the game 60 years.

In terms of this discussion he belongs.

 





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Re: American League
« Reply #1234 on: December 16, 2018, 03:11:51 PM »

Peak

ARod
Frank Robby
Griffey Jr.
Yaz
Uh... I realize he is a New England icon, but he is kind of in a non-jock holding relationship ship with the other three. It.would be like listing Kaline.

Yaz?

I mostly threw him in for old-time and conversational sakes. But you may want to take a gander at his stats and WAR in the '67-'70 period. He AVERAGED 9.5 WAR in those 4 years, and during a time when pitching was dominant,

AND his '67 season was the single greatest year I've seen any player have in watching the game 60 years.

In terms of this discussion he belongs.

Forgive him.  He just doesn't know

Yaz was a compiler, after all.  Just ask Fat Mike.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1235 on: December 16, 2018, 10:11:17 PM »

Best player... that's hard. So many. I think about guys that played well and for a long time. And won, and guys you wanted to emulate. Mays. Rose. Frank and Brooks Robinson. Clemente. Aaron. Schmidt. Griffey, Jr. Even Stargell. And Thome. Arod. Ripken. Joe Morgan, whose 1975 season outdid Yaz's.

I think I'd go with Rickey Henderson. No one put pressure on an opponent like Rickey being Rickey.

Best pitcher is hard. Gibson was fun to watch. Few could match the intensity of Carlton or Seaver or Drysdale. Marichal was a wonder to watch pitch. So was Greg Maddox. But I'd have to go with Koufax.

But we could be watching the best player of our time right now. Trout.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1236 on: December 16, 2018, 10:35:09 PM »

Yastrzemski hit .326 to go with 44 home runs and 121 RBI, 112 runs and 189 hits, all leading the league. As a result, he was a no-brainer for the MVP award that year, and a massive 12.2 WAR was thanks to great defense as well. In 1967. Total bases 360. Ops 1.040. A great season.

Joe Morgan in 1975,  led the league with 132 walks while batting .327 with 67 stolen bases, 17 home runs and 94 RBI. That and a WAR of 12 led to his first of two MVP awards. 1.020 ops. A great season... because...

Morgan won the World Series, too.

Yaz?..uh, no. Never won.

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« Reply #1237 on: December 17, 2018, 02:31:30 PM »

Yastrzemski hit .326 to go with 44 home runs and 121 RBI, 112 runs and 189 hits, all leading the league. As a result, he was a no-brainer for the MVP award that year, and a massive 12.2 WAR was thanks to great defense as well. In 1967. Total bases 360. Ops 1.040. A great season.

Joe Morgan in 1975,  led the league with 132 walks while batting .327 with 67 stolen bases, 17 home runs and 94 RBI. That and a WAR of 12 led to his first of two MVP awards. 1.020 ops. A great season... because...

Morgan won the World Series, too.

Yaz?..uh, no. Never won.

Arguing that to be a great player, one had to have won the championship?
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Re: American League
« Reply #1238 on: December 17, 2018, 02:48:41 PM »

We call that the dummfukk take.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1239 on: December 17, 2018, 03:09:18 PM »

I have little idea who the greatest ballplayer I ever saw in person was, largely because my memory is terrible.

I was at that 7th game of the 1975 World Series. Morgan and Yaz, of course. Pete Rose tied the game (I see, reading the game notes) in the 7th inning. I remember the pop out to end the game, but that's about it.

I was at the Vida Blue vs. Sonny Siebert game. Blue was an amazingly dynamic pitcher, but not for long enough to be the greatest pitcher I've seen, as I have been to a couple Pedro games along the way.

I had season tickets to the 1990 Red Sox. Roger Clemens, Lee Smith (whose acquisition prompted the ticket purchase), Wade Boggs. And Joe Morgan!

Oakland had Eck, Rickey, Jose (and Ozzie) Canseco, Dave Stewart, and the immortal Harold Baines. I know I saw them, in the playoffs. (I probably still have my unreturned World Series tickets from that year somewhere.)

It was not an amazing season for AL players, in terms of "greatest ever" folks. There were a few.

Griffey, Jr. was among those I got to see. I've seen ARod. That Ortiz guy once or twice. Got to see Jacoby, who we all thought was going to be great and Mookie for whom we still have great hopes. Nomah.

Easier to tell you the greatest players I ever met, as it is both a smaller number and more memorable (to me). Met Pete Rose, Johnny Bench, Sparky Anderson, and Earl Weaver in one evening, along with Derek Sanderson, who had a great swing. Met Bob Uecker and George MacDonald, the King of Baseball, in the same evening as the others.(Billy C was not as big a draw for me ass the first five names.

I had no idea at the time who "the King of Baseball" was. I knew from the Clown Prince and the Sultan of Swat, but the King? Not so much.

I met Teddy Ballgame and I think he's probably the single greatest player I ever met, but I got some quality time in with Eddie Waitkus. And Dave Engle is probably the best baseball player I was ever on the field with as a teammate. No, not too great; he was just the greatest of my dubious baseball career. His first two months of 1984 were amazing, but something happened and he never got back to that.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1240 on: December 17, 2018, 03:18:01 PM »

I think it safe to say the poster who made the WS argument doesn't understand that baseball is a team game, and one where pitching has a much greater impact of W than any single player.

Yet holding Yaz accountable for Sox failures in the WS ('67 and '75) and diminshing him for that, but not holding Trout to the same standard, seems hypocritical.

IMO the Sox facing two juggernauts in the 60s Cards and 70s Reds were huge underdogs but took both series to 7 games. And who knows maybe if Tony C  played in '67 or Rie in '75, events would have turned out different.

Our dumbfukk poster should probably take a look at Yaz's WS #s, they are better than his regulat season #s. The guy performed pretty well on the big stage.

But he may be correct the Trout may be the next best player.

If he can manage to put a 10.6 WAR year in '19, he will match the 4-year average WAR (9.5) Yaz compiled in '67-70.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1241 on: December 18, 2018, 08:01:15 AM »

Met the switch hitting MVP Blue.  Impressive guy.

May be spoken about much more if not for the drug thing....Keith and others got the benefit....more so....seems.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1242 on: December 18, 2018, 08:17:55 AM »

Yastrzemski hit .326 to go with 44 home runs and 121 RBI, 112 runs and 189 hits, all leading the league. As a result, he was a no-brainer for the MVP award that year, and a massive 12.2 WAR was thanks to great defense as well. In 1967. Total bases 360. Ops 1.040. A great season.

Joe Morgan in 1975,  led the league with 132 walks while batting .327 with 67 stolen bases, 17 home runs and 94 RBI. That and a WAR of 12 led to his first of two MVP awards. 1.020 ops. A great season... because...

Morgan won the World Series, too.

Yaz?..uh, no. Never won.

Arguing that to be a great player, one had to have won the championship?

No.

Was comparing the two great seasons in which they had 12 WAR. Topping it off with a World Series Championship adds value to that season, don't you think?
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Re: American League
« Reply #1243 on: December 18, 2018, 08:54:45 AM »

I think it safe to say the poster who made the WS argument doesn't understand that baseball is a team game, and one where pitching has a much greater impact of W than any single player.

Yet holding Yaz accountable for Sox failures in the WS ('67 and '75) and diminshing him for that, but not holding Trout to the same standard, seems hypocritical.

IMO the Sox facing two juggernauts in the 60s Cards and 70s Reds were huge underdogs but took both series to 7 games. And who knows maybe if Tony C  played in '67 or Rie in '75, events would have turned out different.

Our dumbfukk poster should probably take a look at Yaz's WS #s, they are better than his regulat season #s. The guy performed pretty well on the big stage.

But he may be correct the Trout may be the next best player.

If he can manage to put a 10.6 WAR year in '19, he will match the 4-year average WAR (9.5) Yaz compiled in '67-70.

Not sure why you take things so personally.

Maybe get some AMT.

If I had to win a game, any game, and I needed a key hit to keep an inning alive or to win it, and I had Yaz on the bench, in his prime, or Joe Morgan in his, I'd pick Morgan. The 5-tool player always gets precedence.

But, if you want your guy Yaz, I wouldn't take issue with it.

Ease up on the insults, now, cowboy.

 
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Re: American League
« Reply #1244 on: December 18, 2018, 09:17:42 AM »

there was nothhing personnel-I agreed with the poster who characterized your opinion as a "dumfukk" take,

and nothing you've posted since would change my mind.

btw with your recent name change you may be Elba's first 5-troll poster

or now that I start recalling them, it might be 6, 7 or 8

heh

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