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What will be the outcome of Russia's invasion of Ukraine?

Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea
- 5 (45.5%)
Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them
- 2 (18.2%)
Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures
- 0 (0%)
The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine
- 3 (27.3%)
Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else
- 1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM


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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #121 on: February 27, 2022, 11:40:52 PM »

Why sanctions on Russia won't work

Just a few ultra-wealthy individuals sit at the top of the economic pyramid. As it was under the Czars, the issue in Russia now is that the population is mainly poor...with average annual per capita income around one fifth of that in the U.S.
Ultimately, the poverty-stricken will feel the bite of sanctions far more than the elite.

Yep. And that cratering economy, the body bags of loved ones returning home and Putin walking around waving his dick yelling I got NUKES! will probably lead to be a very shitty spring for Russia.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #122 on: February 28, 2022, 12:25:58 AM »

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/27/politics/mitt-romney-gop-ukraine-russia/index.html

'I've got morons on my team': Romney blasts fellow GOP members for attending White nationalist event and supporting Putin
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #123 on: February 28, 2022, 12:47:17 AM »

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/2022-02-27/ukrainians-return-from-abroad-fight-russian-invasion-5165975.html

22,000+ have crossed the border into Ukraine, returning to their homeland to fight against the Russian invasion.

This is by no means suggesting that Ukraine is winning, but this is not the war that I think Putin was expecting. Nowhere near it.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #124 on: February 28, 2022, 01:40:47 AM »

There's talk about iffy Russian morale.  A large %, up to half(?), of the Russian invasion force are said to be conscripts on 12 month stints.  Reportedly many were told they were going on a training exercise when sent to the border areas.  Presumably they were intended to be used as mopping up and hold forces after quick Russian victories.   If such inexperienced soldiers are forced to fight, that levels things some.

Some of Putin's rhetoric works against him -- if the Ukrainians and Russians are one people and brothers, why kill them?  Obviously protecting the Donbass Russian speakers doesn't require a mass invasion of the country and capitol.  Just insert Russian troops into those two provinces and any perceived threat is over.  Have to wonder how much Russians believe Putin's rhetoric.

Putin reportedly sent in ruthless, battle-hardened Chechen units and thugs.  They might know urban combat, but also in Grozny they just leveled much of the city to root out resisters.  Intentionally targeting hospitals or apartment buildings is a favorite Russian tactic, used in Syria and Chechnya, designed to instill panic and lower resistance, make it seem Russia has more missiles than it does, and of course will be lied off as accidental.

Kazakhstan declined sending troops after Putin's request. 
Maybe if Ukraine holds out a few more days, western missiles and other weaponry might be enough to delay Russia, mess with their supply lines, conduct rearguard attacks on their weakest soldiers, keep an armed resistance going.   Some talk about some Russian soldiers being poorly equipped.  Dead soldiers coming back to Russia isn't going to be good for Putin.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #125 on: February 28, 2022, 02:17:33 AM »

With all of the bullshit that the Russians have caused in the world we should send the fucking Colombians to give Putin a Colombian neck tie.

Salute,

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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #127 on: February 28, 2022, 08:17:23 AM »

Really the proper NATO response to the invasion of Ukraine would be a blitzkrieg into Belarus, overthrowing Lukashenko and installing the democratic winner of the last election (currently in exile in Lithuania).   Would throw Putin's plans totally into disarray.  Remove a Russia ally and staging ground.  Demonstrate NATO's prowess by overthrowing Belarus quickly.  Embolden Ukrainian resistance.  Then you can negotiate with Putin over Ukraine from a position of strength. 
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #128 on: February 28, 2022, 09:11:49 AM »

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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #129 on: February 28, 2022, 09:38:59 AM »

Doesn't NATO have treaty obligations regarding invading non NATO countries?  And invading Belarus seems tantamount to saying, Hi, let's have WW3!

I think Ukraine's best hope is they have such a huge and formidable resistance that can get "embedded in the brickwork" and make the cities hornets nests.  Russia, unless it does something reprehensible to further its pariah status (carpet bomb cities, for example), would face many years of bloody urban combat.  Which its hobbled economy cannot do, and most citizens would turn against.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #130 on: February 28, 2022, 12:06:23 PM »

Dozens killed, hundreds injured as Putin bombs Ukraine.

Russia has unleashed a civilian attack with a devastating missile and rocket  bombardment as Kremlin officials met to talk about peace.

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The West is a disgrace for not arming Ukraine properly.

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« Reply #131 on: February 28, 2022, 01:55:12 PM »

EU has deployed fighter jets and tens of thousands of anti-tank and machine guns to Ukraine.

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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #132 on: February 28, 2022, 03:05:14 PM »

Dead soldiers coming back to Russia isn't going to be good for Putin.

Putin sent mobile crematoria into theater. He had a cable news feed all through our shrub wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I doubt he thought he would have to run them as much as the actual situation is demanding.
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