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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[Holly Martins]

And when you do come, it's to say something sarcastic, then leave?

These forums need constructive, thoughtful posts, backed with citations from reputable news sources, and an intellectually honest attempt at making sense of what's going on or why it doesn't make sense. 

Especially this thread, which strayed way offtopic with an issue that belongs over in the Biden admin thread.  Any thoughts on Ukraine?  Will Russia's military recover from its present disarray and supply issues?  Can Ukraine actually take back annexed land if the US and NATO continue to provide high-tech munitions?  Are Putin's veiled threats of tac nuke usage ones he would actually make good on, or just more intimidation?   Any chance Putin might be removed from office, or even get the Beria Special?  Plenty to discuss, and maybe enlarge our understanding.

[Espnthree]

And when you do come, it's to say something sarcastic, then leave?

These forums need constructive, thoughtful posts, backed with citations from reputable news sources, and an intellectually honest attempt at making sense of what's going on or why it doesn't make sense. 

Especially this thread, which strayed way offtopic with an issue that belongs over in the Biden admin thread.  Any thoughts on Ukraine?  Will Russia's military recover from its present disarray and supply issues?  Can Ukraine actually take back annexed land if the US and NATO continue to provide high-tech munitions?  Are Putin's veiled threats of tac nuke usage ones he would actually make good on, or just more intimidation?   Any chance Putin might be removed from office, or even get the Beria Special?  Plenty to discuss, and maybe enlarge our understanding.

You missed the essential discussion points.
Why is the USA poring billions of borrowed money down a Ukrainian money pit that means nothing to us.?
And in doing so ratchets up nuclear Armageddon talk with a Russian madman.
Whereas the impotent Biden team embarrassingly ignores OUR  southern border  leaking millions of immigrants we cannot handle who also thrust criminals and fentanyl into our society destroying American lives. 

[LarryBnDC]

And when you do come, it's to say something sarcastic, then leave?

These forums need constructive, thoughtful posts, backed with citations from reputable news sources, and an intellectually honest attempt at making sense of what's going on or why it doesn't make sense. 

Especially this thread, which strayed way offtopic with an issue that belongs over in the Biden admin thread.  Any thoughts on Ukraine?  Will Russia's military recover from its present disarray and supply issues?  Can Ukraine actually take back annexed land if the US and NATO continue to provide high-tech munitions?  Are Putin's veiled threats of tac nuke usage ones he would actually make good on, or just more intimidation?   Any chance Putin might be removed from office, or even get the Beria Special?  Plenty to discuss, and maybe enlarge our understanding.

You missed the essential discussion points.
Why is the USA poring billions of borrowed money down a Ukrainian money pit that means nothing to us.?
And in doing so ratchets up nuclear Armageddon talk with a Russian madman.
Whereas the impotent Biden team embarrassingly ignores OUR  southern border  leaking millions of immigrants we cannot handle who also thrust criminals and fentanyl into our society destroying American lives.

Hey, Lindbergh!

Take that America First propaganda and shove it...

[bambu.]

Yo!
Ukraine is shelling Russia from where Russia is launching its attacks on Ukraine.
Should also be blowing up things in Moscow.

Can't just sit back in Ukraine and let Russia turn you into rubble without serious reply.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/17/energy/renewable-energy-eu-climate-intl/index.html

24% of Europe's energy has been from renewables recently.

It's not yet enough, but it is making a substantial difference.

[Holly Martins]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-air-force-jets-intercept-2-russian-bombers-flying-close-alaska-rcna52781

The proposal from the Duma member for an Alaskan referendum is pretty funny. 

[LarryBnDC]

Significant development


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/19/world/middleeast/russia-syria-israel-ukraine.html

[josh]

Significant development


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/19/world/middleeast/russia-syria-israel-ukraine.html

https://archive.ph/1wWoy

I do wonder what Israel will do, but also whether this will actually make a difference for the Russian forces in Ukraine.

[LarryBnDC]

Significant development


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/19/world/middleeast/russia-syria-israel-ukraine.html

https://archive.ph/1wWoy

I do wonder what Israel will do, but also whether this will actually make a difference for the Russian forces in Ukraine.

It reduces Russian influence in ME an indication of how the war in Ukraine is draining resources from the Army.

[LarryBnDC]

Russians


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/20/world/europe/ukraine-civilans-russia-occupation.html

[Espnthree]

Interesting findings from Pew Research this week.

The share of Americans who are extremely or very concerned about a Ukrainian defeat FELL  from 55% to 38%.
Among Republicans and Republican leaning independents, 32% say the US is providing too much support for the war up from 9% in March.

And The list of high-profile media and policy figures who are starting to question the wisdom of the US strategy in the conflict grows longer every day.

The Washington Post asks
Why is the US administration continuing to pour tens of billions into a war that is ravaging Ukraine and causing thousands of deaths (and triggering massive collateral damage globally) when privately US officials say neither Russia nor Ukraine is capable of winning the war outright?
If so, why is the US prolonging the bloodshed and destruction, pledging to support Ukraine for as long as it takes rather than working towards a diplomatic solution that, barring nuclear war, is the only possible outcome anyway? The madness of this policy has become even more apparent in recent weeks, as fighting on both sides has continued to dangerously escalate  with Biden himself warning of the very real possibility of a nuclear Armageddon.

The answer,of course, is Joe Biden needs a counter point to his neglect of OUR southern border mess (among his many policy blunders)so he favors  a stupid defense of a meaningless border war that will only cost billions of borrowed American  money and leave all of us poorer.

[facilitatorn]

Dick Wart Jimmy is still listening to Father Conklin on the wireless. He still has hope for a thousand year reich reaching these shores in his lifetime.

The patriotic thing to do is to ruin that sad fuck as an example to everyone else deciding whether or not to sell their country for the fake image of a good white strongman. 

[LarryBnDC]

Interesting findings from Pew Research this week.

The share of Americans who are extremely or very concerned about a Ukrainian defeat FELL  from 55% to 38%.
Among Republicans and Republican leaning independents, 32% say the US is providing too much support for the war up from 9% in March.

And The list of high-profile media and policy figures who are starting to question the wisdom of the US strategy in the conflict grows longer every day.

The Washington Post asks
Why is the US administration continuing to pour tens of billions into a war that is ravaging Ukraine and causing thousands of deaths (and triggering massive collateral damage globally) when privately US officials say neither Russia nor Ukraine is capable of winning the war outright?
If so, why is the US prolonging the bloodshed and destruction, pledging to support Ukraine for as long as it takes rather than working towards a diplomatic solution that, barring nuclear war, is the only possible outcome anyway? The madness of this policy has become even more apparent in recent weeks, as fighting on both sides has continued to dangerously escalate  with Biden himself warning of the very real possibility of a nuclear Armageddon.

The answer,of course, is Joe Biden needs a counter point to his neglect of OUR southern border mess (among his many policy blunders)so he favors  a stupid defense of a meaningless border war that will only cost billions of borrowed American  money and leave all of us poorer.

Who wrote it?

BTW

It is not 1940.

[facilitatorn]

https://youtu.be/CNKTLEW78lk

Russian propaganda, neatly broken down

[LarryBnDC]

Irony... Russia is pissed.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-rages-after-son-of-russian-governor-alexander-uss-is-arrested-in-italy-over-us-charges