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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[bambu.]

Captured Russian documents reveal plan to subjugate Ukraine in 10 days and kill population. - The Daily Digest, via MSN

[Espnthree]

Tucker Carlson labeled him the Creepy Porn Lawyer.
The left, Joy Behar, and the creeps on CNN,  MSNBC, NY Times, WPOST, and the clickbait on The Guardian had
Michael Avenati as Presidential material.
Oops. He is going to jail for 14 years.

No presidential limo. 
But he has a chance to stamp its license plate.

Time wounds all heels.

ROFL!

[facilitatorn]

He will be out long before this guy

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/12/7/2140622/-Busy-Florida-legislator-writes-anti-LGBTQ-laws-and-steals-COVID-funds-and-now-faces-20-years

Fascists are dumb entitled bitches. It was so easy for them to take over the republican party because the fit right in.

[Oilcandide]

Back to topic....

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3770669-grim-winter-takes-hold-in-ukraine-us-and-its-nato-allies-need-to-act-before-its-too-late/

Is it time for a no-fly zone, before millions of Ukrainians freeze to death? 

[Yankguy1]

I think as an absolute last resort. Instituting a no-fly zone constitutes an act of war. Once you are in a war you are in a war.

[FlyingVProd]

Poverty is the father of crime and revolution, and poverty is also the father of war.

When the people are suffering, and as crime rises, and as people become upset, the leaders who fear revolution blame the problems on someone else in order to retain power, and they go to war against innocent people in order to retain power. It sucks.

So, we need to fight against poverty, and the worst type of poverty is ignorance, as ignorant people are easily led into false wars and are easily manipulated. So we need to teach people so they might understand and be peaceful instead of blaming innocent people for circumstances that are not their fault. Also as people are taught the ways of peace they can also be taught how to make honest money and how to escape poverty peacefully.

Salute,

Tony V.

[bambu.]

Russian drones just obliterated a whole town in Ukraine.
The complete solution has started....one by one towns and cities in Ukraine will be wiped off the map, all the inhabitants slaughtered.
Such is life for the people unlucky enough to be born in Ukraine...and it's a valuable lesson for countries that can't defend themselves.
Russia just laughs at the UN .. . as the UN basically says:
"Would you like another massage and banquet, Mr Putin?"

[Oilcandide]

I think as an absolute last resort. Instituting a no-fly zone constitutes an act of war. Once you are in a war you are in a war.

This has been my thinking too.  But the attack on utilities, in a place whose weather is probably comparable to Manitoba, seems to be heading towards genocide.  Putin is turning out to be the kind of mad dog dictator that prompts soul-searching on what point NATO/US might be morally obligated to step in.

[Yankguy1]

Certainly. We have become participants in wars on far flimsier moral bases, but my whole point is merely that once we declare a no-fly zone we are at war.

[LarryB!]

Priority should be given to supplying Ukraine with the means to get through the winter.

[Espnthree]

One more dime to Zelensky is past overkill.
But with Biden we will be spending billions to rebuild a country destroyed by a despot.  And it was not Putin

[facilitatorn]

As soon as it is done kicking Russian ass, Ukraine will become the test ground for resilient distributed renewable electricity grid. Results there are going to lead rapid revolutions around the world.

We are going to keep spending money there like it was Iraq and it was our boys in our boots on the ground.

I do not expect Russia to be as keen on getting into a second winter of this war as they were getting into a first.

[FlyingVProd]

This war is horrible, I hate sitting here watching a bully kill innocent people.

I am searching my mind for thoughts that might help them, I am searching my memories from Machiavelli's advice to the Prince, and from history, and from Shakespeare, etc.

One thing, the fight needs to be taken into Russia, right to Moscow, somehow, some way.

Also, support needs to be found among the Russian people, we need to find Russians who are on our side.

And weapons include famine, sword, and fire, according to Shakespeare. I would love to see some fire happen in Moscow, napalm would work.

The Pope pleas for peace, while Ukraine said it is not yet time to negotiate, then if that is the case then the people of Ukraine need to take the fight into Moscow and destroy the most valuable things that the Russians have and make the Russians suffer a bit, and then negotiate. The soldiers from Ukraine can sneak into Russia and set bombs to blow stuff up. And there can be Russians on our side in Russia who can blow stuff up, etc, like the French Resistance. And we need to find ways to make Putin suffer enough that peace would be a suitable reward to stop the evil aggression.

And we have the World Bank and unlimited money, and we have the United Nations. We also have Hollywood, creativity, and great schools with the world's smartest minds. Certainly there must be a way that we can stop Putin and bring peace to the people of the Ukraine. ( One idea that Hollywood used during World War II was that they set up fake cities with lots of lights for the Germans to bomb, while the real cities sat safely in the dark. They also made fake tanks to make the Germans think they were in one area while they were in another. )

The smartest minds, with unlimited money, should be able to stop Putin somehow.

Salute,

Tony V.

[bambu.]

As soon as it is done kicking Russian ass, Ukraine will become the test ground for resilient distributed renewable electricity grid. Results there are going to lead rapid revolutions around the world.

We are going to keep spending money there like it was Iraq and it was our boys in our boots on the ground.

I do not expect Russia to be as keen on getting into a second winter of this war as they were getting into a first.

 

Russia is doing the ass-kicking, removing Ukraine from existence one town at a time....using drones.

[FlyingVProd]

As soon as it is done kicking Russian ass, Ukraine will become the test ground for resilient distributed renewable electricity grid. Results there are going to lead rapid revolutions around the world.

We are going to keep spending money there like it was Iraq and it was our boys in our boots on the ground.

I do not expect Russia to be as keen on getting into a second winter of this war as they were getting into a first.

 

Russia is doing the ass-kicking, removing Ukraine from existence one town at a time....using drones.

Ukraine needs the "Iron Dome" system such as we built together as a team with Israel for the Israelis. Ukraine has the same right to safety as Israel. We have been working on missile defense and stuff for a long time, Reagan spent a fortune on missile defense research, we can give the Ukraine safe air space.

Putin could do so much to help to make the world a better place, but instead he uses his power to do evil, he is scum. Not one innocent life is worth the life of Putin, he is of less value to the world than the poorest of innocent victims.

China is on our side, we should take Putin out at this time, China is not going to defend Putin.

And to bomb people and to say that it is an act of war if we send them air cover and safe air space is crazy. It is like when a man beats a woman and then blames her for getting beat up. It is bullshit. We are not the bad guys if we stop Putin, we are the heroes who saved innocent victims.

I fully support Pope Francis in his call for peace, while at the same time Putin must face justice for his actions. The Russians would be wise to banish Putin and replace him with a better leader who is peaceful. A wise man could see the benefits of peace and world trade, but Putin is a fool and he is a bully.

I say that we send Ukraine air protection from the drones.

Salute,

Tony V.