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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[FlyingVProd]

For Tony, from history:

In the 1970s, Pete Seeger was invited to sing in Barcelona, Spain. Francisco Franco's fascist government, the last of the dictatorships that started World War II, was still in power but declining. A pro-democracy movement was gaining strength and to prove it, they invited America's best-known freedom singer to Spain. More than a hundred thousand people were in the stadium, where rock bands had played all day. But the crowd had come for Seeger.

As Pete prepared to go on, government officials handed him a list of songs he was not allowed to sing. Pete studied it mournfully, saying it looked an awful lot like his set list. But they insisted: he must not sing any of these songs.

Pete took the government's list of banned songs and strolled on stage. He held up the paper and said, "I've been told that I'm not allowed to sing these songs." He grinned at the crowd and said, "So I'll just play the chords; maybe you know the words. They didn't say anything about *you* singing them."

He strummed his banjo to one song after another, and they all sang. A hundred thousand defiant freedom singers breaking the law with Pete Seeger, filling the stadium with words their government did not want them to hear, words they all knew and had sung together, in secret circles, for years. What could the government do? Arrest a hundred thousand singers? It had been beaten by a few banjo chords and the fame of a man whose songs were on the lips of the whole world.

I wish the bands could have came in before Putin crossed the line.

I was trying, I told Carlos Santana and Jon Bon Jovi to play in Russia for peace.

We still have Rock and Roll radio, we can send our message to the young people of Russia.

We need to remove Putin quickly.

Salute,

Tony V.

[josh]

Bambu, Ukraine needs to go straight to Moscow and kill Putin. Quickly.

Again, how do you propose they do that?

[LarryBnDC]

Bambu, Ukraine needs to go straight to Moscow and kill Putin. Quickly.

Again, how do you propose they do that?

Those on the next level below Vlad are sharpening their knives because by now they are jockeying for the position to take a shot at the champ.

[LarryBnDC]

The Russian Bear has discovered how hard it is to swallow a porcupine.

Putin is learning a hard lesson from the tougher than expected resistance mounted by Ukraine:

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

Mike Tyson

[bambu.]

The Russian people are the only ones who can kill Putin.
Unless it's someone from his inner circle, any attempt on his life could result in death for those trying.
So far seems no one much wants to die for the cause, of his death.

[josh]

The Russian people are the only ones who can kill Putin.
Unless it's someone from his inner circle, any attempt on his life could result in death for those trying.
So far seems no one much wants to die for the cause, of his death.

"Unless it's someone from his inner circle, any attempt on his life could result in death for those trying."

One of the dumbest things you have ever said.

[bambu.]

The Russian people are the only ones who can kill Putin.
Unless it's someone from his inner circle, any attempt on his life could result in death for those trying.
So far seems no one much wants to die for the cause, of his death.

"Unless it's someone from his inner circle, any attempt on his life could result in death for those trying."

One of the dumbest things you have ever said.

NOW...Germany is going to send weapons to Ukraine...a lot late.
Everyone should've sent weapons to Ukraine, instead of just doing nothing, standing around watching.
Missiles that can reach Moscow, time to blow up Moscow...only 530 miles from Kyiv to Moscow.
Oh, Putin wouldn't like that...so best try something else.
Putin doesn't mind firing missiles at Kyiv etc in Ukraine though.

[Holly Martins]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-orders-nuclear-deterrent-forces-high-alert-tensions-build-ukrain-rcna17853

Sigh.

[Holly Martins]

They reset the clock on Jan.20.  Might have to reset it again?

https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/

Am really hoping Russian command has a Mark Milley equivalent!

[bambu.]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-orders-nuclear-deterrent-forces-high-alert-tensions-build-ukrain-rcna17853

Sigh.

Like I said before..."crank up the nukes".
Time to tell the Russian people...Biden should be the one to say it:
"If Russia fires a nuclear missile at anyone, you will all be dead, because the West will nuke you in reply".

Germany likely had a look at the map closely and said to itself;
"Geez Loiuse, we're only Poland away from invasion by Russia if it takes Ukraine...we'd better do something now".

[LarryBnDC]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-orders-nuclear-deterrent-forces-high-alert-tensions-build-ukrain-rcna17853

Sigh.

Like I said before..."crank up the nukes".
Time to tell the Russian people...Biden should be the one to say it:
"If Russia fires a nuclear missile at anyone, you will all be dead, because the West will nuke you in reply".

Germany likely had a look at the map closely and said to itself;
"Geez Loiuse, we're only Poland away from invasion by Russia if it takes Ukraine...we'd better do something now".

I guess you never heard of Mutual Assured Destruction, huh?

[bambu.]

They reset the clock on Jan.20.  Might have to reset it again?

https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/

Am really hoping Russian command has a Mark Milley equivalent!

We could all be dead next week.
This could be the end of civilisation on earth.
This is what the world gets for just allowing Putin to exist for so long.
There were plenty of opportunities to kill him, those have now vanished.

[bambu.]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-orders-nuclear-deterrent-forces-high-alert-tensions-build-ukrain-rcna17853

Sigh.

Like I said before..."crank up the nukes".
Time to tell the Russian people...Biden should be the one to say it:
"If Russia fires a nuclear missile at anyone, you will all be dead, because the West will nuke you in reply".

Germany likely had a look at the map closely and said to itself;
"Geez Loiuse, we're only Poland away from invasion by Russia if it takes Ukraine...we'd better do something now".

I guess you never heard of Mutual Assured Destruction, huh?

Got any other suggestions as to what we should do if Putin starts nuking Europe?

What if...Putin's Russia nukes Kiev/Kyiv or whatever it's called.
What if he does?
The West will probably do nothing, let the nuking be localised....being scared of Putin and who/whom he might nuke next.

[FlyingVProd]

I saw a Christian preacher in the Ukraine on television this morning, and he said that he cannot leave, he said that he needs to stay in the Ukraine to minister to the people of his church and to help the people from his church.

Many people in the Ukraine seem to be very good and brave people, and they seem to have a good President.

So far as the good people going on the offensive and going to Moscow and killing Putin, they need to organize and they need to plan and they need to figure it out. And we need to find out who the people are in Russia who we can support, we need to know who the good Russians are.

Salute,

Tony V.

[FlyingVProd]

Kiwanis International is a global club of good people who do good things to serve the children of the world and to help people. Maybe Kiwanis can organize to help to remove Putin and end the invasion, there are Russians in Moscow who are in Kiwanis International.

https://www.kiwanis.org/

The people in Russia who are in Kiwanis International are good Russians who can help to remove Putin, and who can help to run Russia after Putin is removed.

As we look for good people in Russia, we can look at the members of Kiwanis as being on our team.

Salute,

Tony V.