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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[luee]

скучно до слез = bored to tears?

[Hairy Lime]

"Vladimir Putin has killed Swedish neutrality and German pacifism in a single weekend."

Samuel Ramani

Also, Swiss banks are freezing identified Russian assets. Swiss Banks! Biden's careful approach rebuilding our alliances, managed intelligence releases and measured pace on sanctions has at least brought all of Europe along.

[FlyingVProd]

The United Nations needs to declare Putin to be a war criminal. And then we should go in and remove him. Just like with Noriega.

Instead of World War 3 we need for the whole world to unite against Putin.

And the battle needs to happen in Moscow instead of in Ukraine. 

Putin is now a war criminal.

Salute,

Tony V.

[facilitatorn]

The Russian equivalent of republicans has run that country for decades ruthlessly crushing all potential opposition. What you are seeing unfold in Russia now is the inevitable result of republican style solutions anywhere in the world.

[josh]

The United Nations needs to declare Putin to be a war criminal. And then we should go in and remove him.

Sometimes your fantasy land is just a wee bit hard to take.

[josh]

The Russian equivalent of republicans has run that country for decades ruthlessly crushing all potential opposition. What you are seeing unfold in Russia now is the inevitable result of republican style solutions anywhere in the world.

Hyperbole, just the weest bit.

[facilitatorn]

An authoritarian kleptocracy, run by a mob spouting incoherent racists mysoginistic, anti-gay, and pseudo-religious paranoid rhetoric to cover their actions while everything under their influence decays. One law for the rich, another for the poor enforced by an endless stream of violence.

Not hyperbole, not even a wee bit.

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/2/28/2083065/-White-nationalists-flaunt-their-traction-within-Republican-Party-at-annual-gathering-in-Florida

[LarryBnDC]

The Russian equivalent of republicans has run that country for decades ruthlessly crushing all potential opposition. What you are seeing unfold in Russia now is the inevitable result of republican style solutions anywhere in the world.

Hyperbole, just the weest bit.

 Not in the least!

[CaptainCargo]

Probably not popular but a differing view than the standard Western knee-jerk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4k8bBx2Pc

The attack on residential neighborhood in Kharkiv today somewhat undermines his thesis that Russia has no intent to harm Ukrainian noncombatants or hurt the country.  Those were not shells going astray.  The footage is unambiguous.  As for simply assuming that we accept the rhetorical use of "knee-jerk" to dismiss western journalists who work in dangerous war zones, sorry, that's just sophistry.  You need evidence.  Especially when a proven ruthless dictator and murderous thug starts firing rockets and dropping bombs on major population centers and its captured by hundreds of thousands of cellphone cameras. 

In countries where almost everyone has a smartphone and some ability to upload, it's a lot harder to hide destruction and murder of civilians.

Yes, it shows that the Russians are losing their patience. But it doesn't negate the restraint the Russians had displayed up until this incident. As it was inevitable that this would happen at some point. War is an ugly thing.  I pray it doesn't escalate and it is only an isolated incident by overzealous Russian commanders whose soldiers are dying. Because Russian soldiers are dying so eventually they will up the ante. All because the west wants to subjugate Russia as they've been wanting to since the end of WWII. American desire for hegemony over the world exists even though the western media never admit that. That's why we are at odds with countries like Russia and China. The cold war never ended my friend, it goes on.

[CaptainCargo]

Frightening how a blood thirsty madman can still take complete control of a modern democracy.

Simple really...it's happening because the West is doing nothing, just allowing it to happen.
Ye olde:  "evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
Well good men are doing nothing, too scared to upset the blood thirsty madman.
Of course, the whole Russian regime is doing it, not just the madman.
Europe obviously learnt absolutely nothing from WW11 and Hitler.
Hitler is back, Europe got conned again.

Trump said it true:  "Putiin is smart, but it's not that Putin is smart, it's that our (West) leaders are dumb".
Truer words have never been spoken.

Sky News said it true:

WEST IGNORED THE RISE OF CHINA AND RUSSIA.
CLIMATE CHANGE FOLLY SANK THE WEST (Para...something like that).
Yes, West was busy beating itself up over climate change instead of arming itself.
Only having one country (USA) armed to the teeth was total folly.
Relying on the blood thirsty madman's oil and gas was unbelievable folly.
ScoMo and Australia are not the enemies, but they're the ones the West attacks all the time..."burning too much coal", "not doing enough for women and women's rights"...etc etc etc.
Russia and China are the enemies, the ones threatening and doing war! But the West loves them, Russia is the Chair of the UN, the blood thirsty madman and his regime are ruling the world.  LOL
China, vice President of the world, has everyone tied a up and handcuffed with trade. The dumb West fell for its tempting charms.

Too late for Ukraine and its people. Russia...Putin is only one man...is now bombing Ukraine to bits, soon there'll be nothing left but rubble...no buildings left and no people left alive.
All the dumb West basically does is watch on saying "oh dear, isn't that terrible".

Trump is 100% correct...dumb dumb dumb is the West.
Finland borders Russia, next to it are Norway and Sweden, what defences do they have, these "best countries in the world"?
Any oil rigs, any coal mines, any gas mines...how much are they paying the US for their security?

Very good for the most part. I would add American corporations who are in bed with China and continue to be in bed with them like AT&T and many many others are just as much to blame.

[Holly Martins]

http://www.thebulwark.com/death-to-rt/

Don't disagree, not even a wee bit.  Put a sock in the Russian piehole.

[Holly Martins]

скучно до слез = bored to tears?

Bambi has been a wee bit one-note of late. 

[Hairy Lime]

The United Nations needs to declare Putin to be a war criminal. And then we should go in and remove him. Just like with Noriega.

Instead of World War 3 we need for the whole world to unite against Putin.

And the battle needs to happen in Moscow instead of in Ukraine. 

Putin is now a war criminal.

Salute,

Tony V.

The UN cannot declare someone a war criminal, not to any effect. There is a legal process for that. And the rest of your post sways between naive and dangerously stupid.

[Hairy Lime]

 All because the west wants to subjugate Russia as they've been wanting to since the end of WWII.

Russia invaded a sovereign nation that did not threaten it at all. You are aware of that, right?

[Holly Martins]

Yes, it shows that the Russians are losing their patience. But it doesn't negate the restraint the Russians had displayed up until this incident. As it was inevitable that this would happen at some point. War is an ugly thing.  I pray it doesn't escalate and it is only an isolated incident by overzealous Russian commanders whose soldiers are dying. Because Russian soldiers are dying so eventually they will up the ante. All because the west wants to subjugate Russia as they've been wanting to since the end of WWII. American desire for hegemony over the world exists even though the western media never admit that. That's why we are at odds with countries like Russia and China. The cold war never ended my friend, it goes on.

We define "restraint" differently, but perhaps the coming weeks will clarify on that. 

I can't really speak for what the West wants, but I would guess most Americans just favor fledgling democracies (like Ukraine) being left to fledge in peace, and are not preoccupied with subjugation of Russia.  If we were keen on that, I think the Crimean takeover a few years back would have provoked more response than it did.

It's hard to tell sometimes who genuinely wants to nurture democracy and who just uses that as code talk for American hegemony.  It depends on who you talk to.