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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[luee]

Shedding tears for a dead tyrant. Think of all the future lives saved. Of a Russian people freed. This is why special ops and killer drones were invented.

[bambu.]

they are saying so on the internet.

Oh nos!

People are saying things on the internet - it must be true!

Yes, real American people, on real American internet, speaking real Americn words/sentiment.
Something about..."not one drop...let the European  Commies fight their own wars".

Yes. I get that.

What you don't seem to understand is that "real American people, on real American Internet" may or may not be representative of the opinions of the American public as a whole - they are a subculture all their own.

And your ability to discern who is a "real American" is pretty much zero, anyway.

Not so.
Mrs bambu spent 6 weeks travelling America, train, plane, bus, cab...stayed most of the time in homes of real live Americans, real Americans in the very cold winter, in their own homes, lived their lives.

[Hairy Lime]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/23/business/russia-sanctions-ukraine-biden-mcmaster/index.html

Trump's former National Security Advisor says Biden deserves some of the credit for the way the West came together regarding Russia.

Yes, we are fortunate to have a President who believes in our alliances and international cooperation.

[bambu.]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/23/business/russia-sanctions-ukraine-biden-mcmaster/index.html

Trump's former National Security Advisor says Biden deserves some of the credit for the way the West came together regarding Russia.

Yes, we are fortunate to have a President who believes in our alliances and international cooperation as President.

If he is elected for a second term, his belief in, and commitment to, said alliances will likely be tested...with China expected by many experts...to move on Taiwan sooner rather than later, and invade Australia within 5 years.

Not sure what if any alliance US has with Taiwan, but US has the ANZUS Alliance with Australia and New Zealand.

It was good to see him tell China that it would suffer consequences if it helped Russia attack Ukraine.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/23/business/russia-sanctions-ukraine-biden-mcmaster/index.html

Trump's former National Security Advisor says Biden deserves some of the credit for the way the West came together regarding Russia.

Yes, we are fortunate to have a President who believes in our alliances and international cooperation as President.

If he is elected for a second term, his belief in, and commitment to, said alliances will likely be tested...with China expected by many experts...to move on Taiwan sooner rather than later, and invade Australia within 5 years.

"Experts"

Taiwan is a target, though I am pretty sure this little event in Ukraine has given China pause about that.

China has no interest in invading Australia.

[bambu.]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/23/business/russia-sanctions-ukraine-biden-mcmaster/index.html

Trump's former National Security Advisor says Biden deserves some of the credit for the way the West came together regarding Russia.

Yes, we are fortunate to have a President who believes in our alliances and international cooperation as President.

If he is elected for a second term, his belief in, and commitment to, said alliances will likely be tested...with China expected by many experts...to move on Taiwan sooner rather than later, and invade Australia within 5 years.

"Experts"

Taiwan is a target, though I am pretty sure this little event in Ukraine has given China pause about that.

China has no interest in invading Australia.

Recently there were Chinese warships lurking around northern Australia in the Arafura Sea...within sight of the coastline.
Obviously up to no good...most likely plotting an invasion and looking for the best landing places for their 2 million troops and missile trucks.

[facilitatorn]

It is looking for the moment like Ukraine is containing Russian troops NW of Kyiv and rolling them back to the NE. Russia is making headway degrading resistance in the SE on the coast.

If Russia flattens the SE enough to communicate deeper into Ukraine, they can potentially change momentum and disrupt what Ukraine is doing around Kyiv. NATO would then need to seriously consider stepping in more directly.

On the other hand, if Ukraine can bring enough to bear to dislodge and destroy the Russian force NW of Kyiv before Russia makes very much progress in the SE Ukraine may be able to pressure and disrupt the Russians there.

[josh]

It is looking for the moment like Ukraine is containing Russian troops NW of Kyiv and rolling them back to the NE. Russia is making headway degrading resistance in the SE on the coast.

If Russia flattens the SE enough to communicate deeper into Ukraine, they can potentially change momentum and disrupt what Ukraine is doing around Kyiv. NATO would then need to seriously consider stepping in more directly.

On the other hand, if Ukraine can bring enough to bear to dislodge and destroy the Russian force NW of Kyiv before Russia makes very much progress in the SE Ukraine may be able to pressure and disrupt the Russians there.

If Russia ups the stakes by chemical weapons, is NATO pushed to intervene?

Or if they shift to carpet bombing, extrapolating their prior methods to their logical conclusions, is there anything NATO could or would do?

[bambu.]

It is looking for the moment like Ukraine is containing Russian troops NW of Kyiv and rolling them back to the NE. Russia is making headway degrading resistance in the SE on the coast.

If Russia flattens the SE enough to communicate deeper into Ukraine, they can potentially change momentum and disrupt what Ukraine is doing around Kyiv. NATO would then need to seriously consider stepping in more directly.

On the other hand, if Ukraine can bring enough to bear to dislodge and destroy the Russian force NW of Kyiv before Russia makes very much progress in the SE Ukraine may be able to pressure and disrupt the Russians there.

Just a pity Ukraine hadn't convinced prisoners serving life sentences to become guerillas and sent them to Russia before the invasion so they could now be blowing up Moscow.

[josh]

https://www.newsweek.com/karl-marx-study-room-name-changed-due-ukraine-russia-war-officials-say-1690072

I am sure that changing the name of it from a German philosopher and economist to something else will strike at the heart of Putin and his men.

Now, had they gotten rid of the Ayn Rand room, that could have spelled trouble! (And at least she was born in Russia...)

[josh]

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/03/23/putins-aggression-has-bolstered-support-for-nato

[Holly Martins]

https://www.newsweek.com/karl-marx-study-room-name-changed-due-ukraine-russia-war-officials-say-1690072

I am sure that changing the name of it from a German philosopher and economist to something else will strike at the heart of Putin and his men.

Now, had they gotten rid of the Ayn Rand room, that could have spelled trouble! (And at least she was born in Russia...)

Didn't someone burn down the Ayn Rand room?

Given how utterly opposed Marx would be to an autocratic oligarchy, it's pretty silly to pair him with Russia today. 

[facilitatorn]

https://www.newsweek.com/karl-marx-study-room-name-changed-due-ukraine-russia-war-officials-say-1690072

I am sure that changing the name of it from a German philosopher and economist to something else will strike at the heart of Putin and his men.

Now, had they gotten rid of the Ayn Rand room, that could have spelled trouble! (And at least she was born in Russia...)

Didn't someone burn down the Ayn Rand room?

Given how utterly opposed Marx would be to an autocratic oligarchy, it's pretty silly to pair him with Russia today.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.thebulwark.com/get-ukraine-more-drones/

And either pressure China to knock out its drone monitoring service or knock it out by hacking or jamming in Ukraine and Russia.

[bambu.]

Moscow has signalled that Russian President Vladimir Putin intends to attend the summit of world leaders in Bali in November but his presence at the Indonesia-hosted event has the potential to trigger a boycott by other countries.

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Australia should boycott...if by then Russia is not booted out of the G20 permanently...or at least while Putin is president.