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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[josh]

"There is a world of difference between "if Hitler were killed two years earlier than he killed himself" and "If WWII ended two years earlier..." Your assumptions of what would have happened had Hitler been assassinated are asinine."



As are yours...

I have offered no assumptions about what would have happened other than that somebody else would have taken over.

What's asinine about that? This ought to be good.

[josh]

https://apnorc.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Russia-March-Topline-1.pdf

Poll results.

I get the sense that the polled would (a) like us to be tougher on Russia and (b) like us to not get into a war with Russia.

Good luck finding the balance point between those!

[facilitatorn]

I think we are doing it.

At the time I wanted us to send Reapers, but the suicide drone tech actually makes more sense along with the other material being sent in. Less infrastructure and less tech at risk if one iOS captured.

Also the controversial and strategic statement he made about Putin strengthens the negotiating position of Ukraine at talks this week.

This level of intervention is giving You Ukraine a real chance of beating Russia on the ground and driving them into full retreat, if they can even manage one.

That said, more actions that can shorten the war and reduce the bloodshed without creating a Russian win are very welcome.

It is a major advantage that we have good people and not republicans leading the efforts.

[luee]

Actually there were 6 recorded attempts to assassinate Hitler,all messy and incompetent. The killer camps kept rolling, along with the daily round-ups and shootemups. Not counting military casualties.

Someone should have learned from history. So what is the counter argument, he should not be subject to attack because he is a leader. Hiis replacement might be worse. He will get mad and destroy humanity?

I find the statement about the Nazis finding a human being worse than Hiter is hilarius.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/28/politics/biden-putin-ukraine-russia/index.html

Biden reasserts his statement, but explains that it is not the country's policy.

[kiidcarter8]

".........help Ukraine where we can"

[Hairy Lime]

Actually there were 6 recorded attempts to assassinate Hitler,all messy and incompetent. The killer camps kept rolling, along with the daily round-ups and shootemups. Not counting military casualties.

Someone should have learned from history. So what is the counter argument, he should not be subject to attack because he is a leader. Hiis replacement might be worse. He will get mad and destroy humanity?

I find the statement about the Nazis finding a human being worse than Hiter is hilarius.

How about we supply the moral authority for someone to go after our President?

[Holly Martins]

Someone should have learned from history. So what is the counter argument, he should not be subject to attack because he is a leader. His replacement might be worse. He will get mad and destroy humanity?

I find the statement about the Nazis finding a human being worse than Hiter is hilarius.

Reinhard Heydrich, Herman Goering, Heinrich Himmler, Josef Goebbels. Just for starters.  Though, monstrous as Heydrich was, he was not available after June 1942. 

[Holly Martins]

And, no big surprise, umlauts also cause posts to truncate themselves.  Had to use the old-school version of Goering to get it to post.

[luee]

Adolf Hitler's cult of personality was a prominent feature of Nazi Germany (1933-1945)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_cult_of_personality

Putin?

[josh]

And, no big surprise, umlauts also cause posts to truncate themselves.  Had to use the old-school version of Goering to get it to post.

Hmm...

[Holly Martins]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/03/28/secret-weapon-putin-kremlin-silence-00020630

RFE and VOA are proving their value in the information war. 

[LarryBnDC]

I think we are doing it.

At the time I wanted us to send Reapers, but the suicide drone tech actually makes more sense along with the other material being sent in. Less infrastructure and less tech at risk if one iOS captured.

Also the controversial and strategic statement he made about Putin strengthens the negotiating position of Ukraine at talks this week.

This level of intervention is giving You Ukraine a real chance of beating Russia on the ground and driving them into full retreat, if they can even manage one.

That said, more actions that can shorten the war and reduce the bloodshed without creating a Russian win are very welcome.

It is a major advantage that we have good people and not republicans leading the efforts.

[LarryBnDC]

Actually there were 6 recorded attempts to assassinate Hitler,all messy and incompetent. The killer camps kept rolling, along with the daily round-ups and shootemups. Not counting military casualties.

Someone should have learned from history. So what is the counter argument, he should not be subject to attack because he is a leader. Hiis replacement might be worse. He will get mad and destroy humanity?

I find the statement about the Nazis finding a human being worse than Hiter is hilarius.

No one had to be worse than Hitler because if he had been assassinated in April 1943 he would have gone at the top of his game and would have been considered a martyr and that much closer to God than he was in flesh.

Then the professional Nazi officer corps would have waged a different campaign and not made the colossal and almost inexplicable fuck ups Hitler made from late 1943 on.

[facilitatorn]

I am more concerned about dealing with his offspring like Vlad, donald, Cotton, DeSantis, Kemp, and Uncle Thomas.