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What will be the outcome of Russia's invasion of Ukraine?

Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea
- 5 (45.5%)
Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them
- 2 (18.2%)
Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures
- 0 (0%)
The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine
- 3 (27.3%)
Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else
- 1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM


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Holly Martins

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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #690 on: March 30, 2022, 12:11:54 PM »
 Gen. Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraines chief of defense intelligence, warned last weekend that Moscow will try to pull the occupied territories into a single quasi-state structure and pit it against independent Ukraine. He compared the Russian endgame to the splitting of the Korean Peninsula in the 1950s. 

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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #691 on: March 30, 2022, 12:34:56 PM »
Quote from: Barton3.0 on March 30, 2022, 12:11:54 PM
Gen. Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraines chief of defense intelligence, warned last weekend that Moscow will try to pull the occupied territories into a single quasi-state structure and pit it against independent Ukraine. He compared the Russian endgame to the splitting of the Korean Peninsula in the 1950s.

If he actually wants closure on this, then Korea is a bad model to follow.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #692 on: March 30, 2022, 04:31:28 PM »
I find this alternate interpretation of Putin's strategy to be disturbingly plausible....

https://archive.ph/2022.03.30-020554/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/29/opinion/ukraine-war-putin.html

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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #693 on: March 30, 2022, 06:20:32 PM »
Quote from: Barton3.0 on March 30, 2022, 04:31:28 PM
I find this alternate interpretation of Putin's strategy to be disturbingly plausible....

https://archive.ph/2022.03.30-020554/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/29/opinion/ukraine-war-putin.html


Yeah...

I believe this is a bit of overthinking the situation...
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #694 on: March 30, 2022, 08:42:22 PM »
He will take it and call it a win and his plan all along if Ukraine lets him. So far they are saying no and killing his army. I think this is a good policy for Ukraine to pursue as it feels able. We should give Ukraine more and better armaments faster to help with the work.
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Holly Martins

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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #695 on: March 31, 2022, 09:48:45 AM »
Quote from: LarryBnDC on March 30, 2022, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: Barton3.0 on March 30, 2022, 04:31:28 PM
I find this alternate interpretation of Putin's strategy to be disturbingly plausible....

https://archive.ph/2022.03.30-020554/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/29/opinion/ukraine-war-putin.html


Yeah...

I believe this is a bit of overthinking the situation...

Russia is a nation of ferocious chess players.  Just saying it might be good not to underestimate them. 
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #696 on: March 31, 2022, 11:36:25 AM »
Quote from: Barton3.0 on March 31, 2022, 09:48:45 AM
Quote from: LarryBnDC on March 30, 2022, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: Barton3.0 on March 30, 2022, 04:31:28 PM
I find this alternate interpretation of Putin's strategy to be disturbingly plausible....

https://archive.ph/2022.03.30-020554/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/29/opinion/ukraine-war-putin.html


Yeah...

I believe this is a bit of overthinking the situation...

Russia is a nation of ferocious chess players.  Just saying it might be good not to underestimate them.

Or overestimate same
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #697 on: March 31, 2022, 07:54:43 PM »
Keep sending Ukraine the latest missiles, and every other thing they need to kill as many Russian invaders as possible as quickly as possible.
Surface to air missiles, anti-tank missiles, drones that can be used to attack anything Russian that comes over the border.
What Russia has done is totally evil.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #698 on: April 01, 2022, 01:11:25 AM »
« Last Edit: April 01, 2022, 03:02:01 AM by luee »
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #699 on: April 01, 2022, 03:06:24 AM »
may their eyeballs pop out and their dicks turn to dust.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #700 on: April 01, 2022, 09:45:52 AM »
Young men from poverty, for whom joining the Russian Army may be the only option other than rotting away on the dole. It is the sociopaths running things and feeding them lies you should save your curses for.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #701 on: April 01, 2022, 10:11:02 AM »
UKRAINE ATTACKS!

Wow - didnt see this coming.

Germany sends 56 tanks.

Joe?
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #702 on: April 01, 2022, 10:54:44 AM »
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/01/europe/russia-ukraine-belgorod-fire-intl/index.html

Poor poor Russia.

That they are complaining Ukraine did such a thing and suggesting that somehow this might interfere with negotiations is beyond absurd and seems like a demand for Ukraine to do more of the same.

Russia should be glad it was a fuel depot and not a government building, an apartment complex, or a hospital or theater. I know I am - and I would love to see more fuel depots hit and perhaps some bridges - rail bridges seem like a good idea.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #703 on: April 01, 2022, 12:31:27 PM »
Quote from: kidcarter8 on April 01, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
UKRAINE ATTACKS!

Wow - didnt see this coming.

Germany sends 56 tanks.

Joe?

Got Germany to back halting Nordstream 2 and got Scholz to commit more than helmets to Ukraine, Putin fluffer.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #704 on: April 01, 2022, 01:02:17 PM »
Quote from: kidcarter8 on April 01, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
UKRAINE ATTACKS!

Wow - didnt see this coming.

Germany sends 56 tanks.

Joe?
Joe has approved billions in military aid, mostly in the Javelin/Stinger type of weapons that have been so successful in destroying Russian tanks, armored vehicles, copters and Jets. And all without demanding Zelenskyy provide dirt on a political rival as a condition of aid.
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