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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[luee]

Young men from poverty, for whom joining the Russian Army may be the only option other than rotting away on the dole. It is the sociopaths running things and feeding them lies you should save your curses for.

No longer such a thing as a free pass for war criminals in uniform just following orders.

Bartov also wrote that German film-makers liked to show the heroic last stand of the 6th Army at Stalingrad, but none has so far showed the 6th Army's massive co-operation with the Einsatzgruppen in murdering Soviet Jews in 1941 during its march across the Ukraine.[174] Likewise, Bartov commented that German films tended to dwell on the suffering of the 6th Army during the Battle of Stalingrad and its aftermath without reflecting on the fact that it was the Germans who invaded the Soviet Union and that the Russians were fighting to defend their country.[174]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht#Postwar_views

[Holly Martins]

Please excuse my moment of compassion for young men used as cannon fodder and dying hideous deaths from radiation sickness! 

[LarryBnDC]

UKRAINE ATTACKS!

Wow - didnt see this coming.

Germany sends 56 tanks.

Joe?

Joe has approved billions in military aid, mostly in the Javelin/Stinger type of weapons that have been so successful in destroying Russian tanks, armored vehicles, copters and Jets. And all without demanding Zelenskyy provide dirt on a political rival as a condition of aid.

[luee]

The gruesome scenes on the road were more than simply the terrible deaths of human beings who had become victims of President Putin's decision to invade. It is also a crime scene, with evidence that should be collected and preserved for an investigation whenever this war ends.

Under the laws of war civilians are protected, and when they are killed in defiance of those laws, their deaths amount to war crimes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60949791

No compassion for criminals in uniform.

[Holly Martins]

https://archive.ph/2022.04.01-122716/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/opinion/biden-putin-ukraine-nuclear-weapons.html

Looking at Vlads implied threats of tactical nuking.

[josh]

https://archive.ph/2022.04.01-122716/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/opinion/biden-putin-ukraine-nuclear-weapons.html

Looking at Vlads implied threats of tactical nuking.

Do you find yourself agreeing with the author?

It all makes perfect sense to me up until the day that Putin authorizes use of their tactical nukes, whereupon the recommended strategy's weakness becomes overwhelmingly clear.

Or as the saying goes, "one nuke can ruin your whole day."

Another opinion piece expressed the sentiment that Ukraine's strike into Russia, hitting the fuel depot, was Biden's worst nightmare. The thinking there is that by demonstrating the capacity to attack Russia rather than just defending against the Russian military, the Ukrainians have met the condition of threatening Russia's existence as a nation.

Is that claim a stretch?! Sure. Of course it is. But this whole conflict is being waged on dubious pretexts. (See also: Mexico reclaims California, et al.)

[LarryBnDC]

Putin is in a pretty bad space. He claims to be a historian but he is making the same mistakes made during the Great Patriotic War... by the Nazis.

Interesting to see how the Hungarian election plays out.

[Holly Martins]

https://archive.ph/2022.04.01-122716/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/opinion/biden-putin-ukraine-nuclear-weapons.html

Looking at Vlads implied threats of tactical nuking.

Do you find yourself agreeing with the author?

It all makes perfect sense to me up until the day that Putin authorizes use of their tactical nukes, whereupon the recommended strategy's weakness becomes overwhelmingly clear.

Or as the saying goes, "one nuke can ruin your whole day."

Another opinion piece expressed the sentiment that Ukraine's strike into Russia, hitting the fuel depot, was Biden's worst nightmare. The thinking there is that by demonstrating the capacity to attack Russia rather than just defending against the Russian military, the Ukrainians have met the condition of threatening Russia's existence as a nation.

Is that claim a stretch?! Sure. Of course it is. But this whole conflict is being waged on dubious pretexts. (See also: Mexico reclaims California, et al.)

I am skeptical of my posted article, because of that ruin your whole day factor.  We don't have lots of data points on what Putin has done in similar situations because the Ukraine attack is unlike those past ones.  And the author doesn't have a clear view of Putin as a rational actor.  Is he a cool head sitting at a long table...or a man on a ledge who will need delicately talking down? 

[luee]

Commitment is an act, not a word.

Jean-Paul Sartre

[facilitatorn]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/02/ukrainian-children-used-as-human-shields-near-kyiv-say-witness-reports

The GOP let Manafort back in the door. A large amount of this blood is on their hands.

[Holly Martins]

https://archive.ph/2022.04.03-110001/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/03/world/europe/ukraine-war-russia-trostyanets.html

Life and death under Russian occupation. 

[Holly Martins]

In spite of his cozying with Putin, and the disruption of Ukraine, looks like Orban kept tight control of Hungarian media and kept people fearful of losing Russian oil and gas (not hard to do, given the country's dependence on that) and beat the six party coalition against him.  The propaganda machine makes goulash of the opposition.  Look out democratic norms, LGBT folks, journalists, minorities!  The only votes not tampered with will be possibly Liszt or Brahms, rhapsody or dance.  I'm leaning towards Brahms....

https://youtu.be/HCDygl0pttM

[Holly Martins]

I withdraw that last bit.  Liszt by a landslide!

https://youtu.be/ALqOKq0M6ho

Venezuelans must have tampered with my earbuds.

[josh]

[Holly Martins]

The slaughter in Bucha has EU looking at their red line on oil and gas...

https://archive.ph/XwYW7

The government declined to comment on allegations from Polands prime minister that Germany is the main roadblock to tougher sanctions.

There is widespread outrage in Germany, and German politicians will be forced to do something, but they dont want to do something that will hurt Germany, Dirsus said. There are no good options left. Massive sanctions would do damage to Germany. But do nothing and you are complicit. (Dirsus)

Russia has demanded that unfriendly countries pay for gas in rubles, or risk getting no gas at all. You almost get the impression that they want Putin to pull the plug for them, Dirsus added. Pressure would die down and they wouldnt be responsible for all the misery.