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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[josh]

It is a crime to see Ukraine being destroyed innocents killed and to only seize a yacht or two and declare another useless sanction.
Old Mr. compromise just is not good enough.

Remember, as Luee deliberately misrepresents what is going on that Luee was telling us how we should do nothing in the weeks before the invasion because there would be no invasion and Biden, et all, were jumping at shadows.

Well now, luee also told us Ukrainians were Nazis.

To be fair, there are neo-nazis in Ukraine, with some of the most effective anti-Russian troops, according to news reports.

The invasion is only making them stronger.

[Holly Martins]

Stopping Putin's war  machine is really going to require the EU to fully ban all fossil fuels from Russia.  Which means everyone in a household sharing a reading light, handwashing dishes, streaming the web on small screens instead of giant plasma, turning down furnace, donning sweaters, etc.  Real economic war requires sacrifice and discipline.  And also gets people in practice for saving some of the polar caps and low lying cities and dryland forests. Americans should do the same.  Why, for example, are 70% of new vehicles sold in the US trucks and SUVs?  Most of them, if you watch cars in your town, are not hauling cargo or large groups or going off-road. 

False marketing created a desire for something few people really need, outside of contractors and park rangers.  It's as if we are regressing from the ecological awareness of the seventies.   Everyone thinks someone else will solve these problems.  Government can't fix this, WE have to fix it, every single one of us. 

[REDSTATEWARD]

Why, for example, are 70% of new vehicles sold in the US trucks and SUVs?  Most of them, if you watch cars in your town, are not hauling cargo or large groups or going off-road. 

False marketing created a desire for something few people really need, outside of contractors and park rangers.  It's as if we are regressing from the ecological awareness of the seventies.   Everyone thinks someone else will solve these problems.  Government can't fix this, WE have to fix it, every single one of us.

For one thing a SUV is safer than a car, especially for those parents who haul kids as cargo.
Which runs in the tens of millions. Also higher resale value.
As for trucks, pickups with upscale trim packages do a better job of being luxury cars than many luxury cars.
And have way higher resale values. Checkout a GMC Denali sub-brand, a Ram Laramie Longhorn  or a Ford with platinum trim.
They have massive infotainment touchscreens, and pack a ton of convenience tech including cameras for reversing, parking, towing, and seeing trails.
The current F150 can basically be a mobile luxury lounge with 180-degree flat-folding seats and a center console with a fold-down work table.

In short, pay attention.

[LarryBnDC]

Stopping Putin's war  machine is really going to require the EU to fully ban all fossil fuels from Russia.  Which means everyone in a household sharing a reading light, handwashing dishes, streaming the web on small screens instead of giant plasma, turning down furnace, donning sweaters, etc.  Real economic war requires sacrifice and discipline.  And also gets people in practice for saving some of the polar caps and low lying cities and dryland forests. Americans should do the same.  Why, for example, are 70% of new vehicles sold in the US trucks and SUVs?  Most of them, if you watch cars in your town, are not hauling cargo or large groups or going off-road. 

False marketing created a desire for something few people really need, outside of contractors and park rangers.  It's as if we are regressing from the ecological awareness of the seventies.   Everyone thinks someone else will solve these problems.  Government can't fix this, WE have to fix it, every single one of us.

I run my dishwasher every night because it saves a ton of water compared to hand washing.

But I get where you are coming from.

[LarryBnDC]

Why, for example, are 70% of new vehicles sold in the US trucks and SUVs?  Most of them, if you watch cars in your town, are not hauling cargo or large groups or going off-road. 

False marketing created a desire for something few people really need, outside of contractors and park rangers.  It's as if we are regressing from the ecological awareness of the seventies.   Everyone thinks someone else will solve these problems.  Government can't fix this, WE have to fix it, every single one of us.

For one thing a SUV is safer than a car, especially for those parents who haul kids as cargo.
Which runs in the tens of millions. Also higher resale value.
As for trucks, pickups with upscale trim packages do a better job of being luxury cars than many luxury cars.
And have way higher resale values. Checkout a GMC Denali sub-brand, a Ram Laramie Longhorn  or a Ford with platinum trim.
They have massive infotainment touchscreens, and pack a ton of convenience tech including cameras for reversing, parking, towing, and seeing trails.
The current F150 can basically be a mobile luxury lounge with 180-degree flat-folding seats and a center console with a fold-down work table.

In short, pay attention.

Do not bitch about gas prices if you are gonna drive an F-150 that gets 24 mpg highway and 18 mpg city.

[facilitatorn]

The Rivan makes the F-150 look and perform like an Edsel by comparison. Red lives with one foot in the grave and his only pleasure is trying to drag the rest of us in there with him.

The Germans have start to mass produce Sulfur-graphene batteries that do away with cobalt, manganese, and aluminum while also reducing lithium in their manufacture. They are getting 2 to 3 times the energy density of of current Lithium ion tech. The roll out is starting in aerospace and personal electronics markets and is scheduled to reach EVs and home, commercial, and municipal storage markets some time in 2024. It is curtains for OPEC+1. This is the last decade they have any relevance whatsoever.

[josh]

Why, for example, are 70% of new vehicles sold in the US trucks and SUVs?  Most of them, if you watch cars in your town, are not hauling cargo or large groups or going off-road. 

False marketing created a desire for something few people really need, outside of contractors and park rangers.  It's as if we are regressing from the ecological awareness of the seventies.   Everyone thinks someone else will solve these problems.  Government can't fix this, WE have to fix it, every single one of us.

For one thing a SUV is safer than a car, especially for those parents who haul kids as cargo.
Which runs in the tens of millions. Also higher resale value.
As for trucks, pickups with upscale trim packages do a better job of being luxury cars than many luxury cars.
And have way higher resale values. Checkout a GMC Denali sub-brand, a Ram Laramie Longhorn  or a Ford with platinum trim.
They have massive infotainment touchscreens, and pack a ton of convenience tech including cameras for reversing, parking, towing, and seeing trails.
The current F150 can basically be a mobile luxury lounge with 180-degree flat-folding seats and a center console with a fold-down work table.

In short, pay attention.

Thank you for making Barton's point.

[luee]

Joe wants more evidence before the US makes a strong commitment. Hint, without planes Putin wins! Having a delusional narcissist with a low value of life as the leader of a modern nation is untenable. A victory by the Ukraine over the eastern horde would be truly a wonderful thing. Timidity during the last century cost an estimated 80 million lives.

[Hairy Lime]

Joe wants more evidence before the US makes a strong commitment. Hint, without planes Putin wins! Having a delusional narcissist with a low value of life as the leader of a modern nation is untenable.

Oh, I do not know about "untenable". We made it through four years of it from 2017 to 2021 after all.

[luee]

Most experts did not expect a full out invasion until the final weeks. Russia without nukes is not a major war nation, despite victories over the primitives in Syria and Chechnya. If they take over the Ukraine it is a different story. Similar to Nazi takeover of Czechoslovakia? Putin does seem to be using the Nazi roadmap.

[Hairy Lime]

Most experts did not expect a full out invasion until the final weeks. Russia without nukes is not a major war nation, despite victories over the primitives in Syria and Chechnya. If they take over the Ukraine it is a different story. Similar to Nazi takeover of Czechoslovakia? Putin does seem to be using the Nazi roadmap.

Or, Catherine the Great's.

[kidcarter8]

Biden wins in 2024 if he marches our troops into Ukraine and saves what is left of  that nation.


Easy win.


Someone is already telling him this.  Others will come forth soon.

[luee]

No we are talking total war and genocide, a different ballgame. Planes, missiles and wmd. Catherine the Great?

[josh]

Most experts did not expect a full out invasion until the final weeks. Russia without nukes is not a major war nation, despite victories over the primitives in Syria and Chechnya. If they take over the Ukraine it is a different story. Similar to Nazi takeover of Czechoslovakia? Putin does seem to be using the Nazi roadmap.

Ah, you're one of "most experts?"

The "most experts" I followed expected invasion of the east, at a minimum - which was still more than you granted was likely to happen.

Now you're sure he won't use nukes if the US or NATO gets involved.

Pardon me, Nostrildamus, if I find your predictive ability is snot reliable.

[josh]

Biden wins in 2024 if he marches our troops into Ukraine and saves what is left of  that nation.

Bullshit.

And as soon as he would do such a thing, your party will be all over him for yet another set of made up reasons.

Same old same old.