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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[josh]

Air power in the form of jet planes would have neutralized the Russian guns and tanks but was quickly taken off the table as an option to help the brave Ukrainians. Putin has nukes and we shouldn't make him angry while he pulverizes the country and its citizens?

Putin aint nukin anyone.

And you know this how?!

[LarryBnDC]

Putin will not be losing the war in Ukraine.
He'll just keep bombing, shelling Ukraine for years until he wins.

Not the way it works, luee.

Ask Hitler

[LarryBnDC]

It will say, "Yay, we are still here to say things!  We are not giant clouds of ash drifting over a barren wasteland!"

Can't help but recall an entire party that opined the other side was being too frightened after 9-11

Bullshit

[josh]

Putin will not be losing the war in Ukraine.
He'll just keep bombing, shelling Ukraine for years until he wins.

He's already lost the war in Ukraine.

The question is how much more he is willing to lose - while the Ukrainians continue to lose the war, as well.

He'll keep bombing until even he sees that it is fruitless or until he is stopped.

[LarryBnDC]

Families have been wiped out because sleepy Joe held back on planes. A couple of good sorties with missile armed jets and the war is over in a week. Money does not buy courage or integrity just hand held chachkis.

How come Kyiv did not fall in the first few Days?

You have no clue

[josh]

It will say, "Yay, we are still here to say things!  We are not giant clouds of ash drifting over a barren wasteland!"

Can't help but recall an entire party that opined the other side was being too frightened after 9-11

On one hand, we have fabricated information about WMD used to initiate and perpetuate a war.

On the other hand, we have a country with a known capability with nuclear weapons.

Stupid analogy.

[josh]

Families have been wiped out because sleepy Joe held back on planes. A couple of good sorties with missile armed jets and the war is over in a week. Money does not buy courage or integrity just hand held chachkis.

I repeat: how many planes should we have sent?

[LarryBnDC]

Putin will not be losing the war in Ukraine.
He'll just keep bombing, shelling Ukraine for years until he wins.

He's already lost the war in Ukraine.

The question is how much more he is willing to lose - while the Ukrainians continue to lose the war, as well.

He'll keep bombing until even he sees that it is fruitless or until he is stopped.

It is no longer a war. It is mass killing on the part of Russia.

Ukraine is not losing the fight.

They are losing masses of civilians but that is on Russia mounting a genocidal campaign.

[LarryBnDC]

Families have been wiped out because sleepy Joe held back on planes. A couple of good sorties with missile armed jets and the war is over in a week. Money does not buy courage or integrity just hand held chachkis.

I repeat: how many planes should we have sent?

He has no clue.

He just wants to grab his balls and feel manly

[luee]

Poland made the offer to send over their migs to the trained Ukie pilots. Joe said no, we will send them hand held chachkis. Don't want to get Vlad too angry. How many died over that decision?

[facilitatorn]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/13/2091775/-Ukraine-update-U-S-sending-another-800M-package-that-includes-heavy-weapons

Key in the headline is - Another. Unspoken is - There is more to come.

[bambu.]

Putin will not be losing the war in Ukraine.
He'll just keep bombing, shelling Ukraine for years until he wins.

He's already lost the war in Ukraine.

The question is how much more he is willing to lose - while the Ukrainians continue to lose the war, as well.

He'll keep bombing until even he sees that it is fruitless or until he is stopped.

He hasn't lost the war in Ukraine...he just withdrew from a battle, for Kyiv...and went to blow up another region first.
"The Butcher" he's appointed will do what he did in Syria, shell the place into dust/submission.

[josh]

Poland made the offer to send over their migs to the trained Ukie pilots. Joe said no, we will send them hand held chachkis. Don't want to get Vlad too angry. How many died over that decision?

How many stayed alive? How many would have died had Putin decided Russia was threatened?

And Luee, why do you refuse to answer the simple question of how many planes would have satisfied you?

Every time you assure us that he would not have gone nuclear, I am reminded of your assuring us he wouldn't invade.

Have you even once said, "Yeah, I got that wrong" to us?

No? Why am I not surprised?

[bambu.]

Putin will not be losing the war in Ukraine.
He'll just keep bombing, shelling Ukraine for years until he wins.

He's already lost the war in Ukraine.

The question is how much more he is willing to lose - while the Ukrainians continue to lose the war, as well.

He'll keep bombing until even he sees that it is fruitless or until he is stopped.

It is no longer a war. It is mass killing on the part of Russia.

Ukraine is not losing the fight.

They are losing masses of civilians but that is on Russia mounting a genocidal campaign.

If things continue as they are, the genocidal campaign will prevail, everyone in Ukraine will either have fled the country or be dead...including those in Ukraine doing the fighting.
Russia will destroy all the water and food eventually.
The war will likely go on for years, experts say.

[luee]

Putin will not be losing the war in Ukraine.
He'll just keep bombing, shelling Ukraine for years until he wins.

Not the way it works, luee.

Ask Hitler

Can't tell one whiteman from the other, Larry?
Their was a finite number of Jets offered by Poland through the US in the early stages of the invasion. It would have saved lives and infrastructure. We are now in the world of a repetitive stupid question.