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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[LarryBnDC]

One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Putin was ever negotiating in good faith?

It's like taking McConnell's word about things - foolish and self-serving of you.

The war is not escalating, it is redirecting. The same "flat earth" theory of warfare is being practiced, but in a region in which Russia has shorter supply lines and fewer communication problems.

Kids thinks his side is winning

[facilitatorn]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/14/2091951/-Ukraine-update-A-hundred-little-Thermopylae

[LarryBnDC]

[LarryBnDC]

Trump is a venal, stupid coward.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-rants-against-nato-after-hannity-asked-him-if-the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-is-evil/

[josh]

https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/04/14/ukraine-claims-to-have-sunk-a-russian-warship

Big deal.

[kidcarter8]

One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Trump and his people wouldnt have got something done by now? 

heh.

2.5 more lonnnnnng years......

Trump would have sided with Putin and taken Putin's word for why he invaded and what he intended to accomplish. We would not have supplied any arms to Ukraine unless they aided Ukraine politically. There would be no coordinated NATO response because Trump would not have led one. That is what Trump would have done based on his actual documented actions as President, and his comments after. Thank God we have an internationalist President who respects alliances and can hold NATO together.

You're out to lunch on this one, friend.

[josh]

One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Trump and his people wouldnt have got something done by now? 

heh.

2.5 more lonnnnnng years......

Trump would have sided with Putin and taken Putin's word for why he invaded and what he intended to accomplish. We would not have supplied any arms to Ukraine unless they aided Ukraine politically. There would be no coordinated NATO response because Trump would not have led one. That is what Trump would have done based on his actual documented actions as President, and his comments after. Thank God we have an internationalist President who respects alliances and can hold NATO together.

You're out to lunch on this one, friend.

Trump was asked if Putin's invasion of Ukraine was evil.

He proceeded to attack NATO.

I think your repeated defense of Trump and assertion that he would have done something useful have about as much substance as Trump's "aggressive" counter to Kim Jong Un's nuclear missile building program.

Sound and fury signifying nothing.

"What kind of American, let alone an ex-president, thinks that this is the right time to enter into a scheme with Vladimir Putin and brag about his connections to Vladimir Putin? There is only one, and it's Donald Trump," White House Communications Director Kate Bedingfield told reporters on March 30.

Yeah, your fawning all over Trump ignores everything Trump says and does - and said and did.

[LarryBnDC]

One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Trump and his people wouldnt have got something done by now? 

heh.

2.5 more lonnnnnng years......

Trump would have sided with Putin and taken Putin's word for why he invaded and what he intended to accomplish. We would not have supplied any arms to Ukraine unless they aided Ukraine politically. There would be no coordinated NATO response because Trump would not have led one. That is what Trump would have done based on his actual documented actions as President, and his comments after. Thank God we have an internationalist President who respects alliances and can hold NATO together.

You're out to lunch on this one, friend.

Trump was asked if Putin's invasion of Ukraine was evil.

He proceeded to attack NATO.

I think your repeated defense of Trump and assertion that he would have done something useful have about as much substance as Trump's "aggressive" counter to Kim Jong Un's nuclear missile building program.

Sound and fury signifying nothing.

"What kind of American, let alone an ex-president, thinks that this is the right time to enter into a scheme with Vladimir Putin and brag about his connections to Vladimir Putin? There is only one, and it's Donald Trump," White House Communications Director Kate Bedingfield told reporters on March 30.

Yeah, your fawning all over Trump ignores everything Trump says and does - and said and did.

Kid is a true believer

[josh]

Me, too. I believe this is hilarious.

[Holly Martins]

I laughed, but should we be concerned as to what sort of missiles it had onboard?

If there are tactical nuke warheads on any of the 16  Vulkan cruise missiles, they are now on the seabed off the coast of Ukraine. 

With almost any other nation, I would be comfortable assuming they would not sail into a battle zone with tac nukes, but it's hard to trust in Russian rationality these days.

[LarryBnDC]

Me, too. I believe this is hilarious.

LOL!

But on the serious tip, taking out this ship is the moral equivalent of sinking the Bismarck

[facilitatorn]

One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Trump and his people wouldnt have got something done by now? 

heh.

2.5 more lonnnnnng years......

Trump would have sided with Putin and taken Putin's word for why he invaded and what he intended to accomplish. We would not have supplied any arms to Ukraine unless they aided Ukraine politically. There would be no coordinated NATO response because Trump would not have led one. That is what Trump would have done based on his actual documented actions as President, and his comments after. Thank God we have an internationalist President who respects alliances and can hold NATO together.

You're out to lunch on this one, friend.

Trump was asked if Putin's invasion of Ukraine was evil.

He proceeded to attack NATO.

I think your repeated defense of Trump and assertion that he would have done something useful have about as much substance as Trump's "aggressive" counter to Kim Jong Un's nuclear missile building program.

Sound and fury signifying nothing.

"What kind of American, let alone an ex-president, thinks that this is the right time to enter into a scheme with Vladimir Putin and brag about his connections to Vladimir Putin? There is only one, and it's Donald Trump," White House Communications Director Kate Bedingfield told reporters on March 30.

Yeah, your fawning all over Trump ignores everything Trump says and does - and said and did.

Kid is a true believer

Kid raised his petticoats for trump and is still, these years later, sprawled across the same hay bale in hope.

[kidcarter8]

The war is not escalating, it is redirecting. The same  flat earth theory of warfare is being practiced, but in a region in which Russia has shorter supply lines and fewer communication problems.


Really?  With planes now about to be at the ready?  Not escalating?  OK.

[josh]

This apparently is a real Ukrainian stamp image:

[LarryBnDC]

And now that warship is fucked.