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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[facilitatorn]

Well fucked. Finished in fact. On the bottom.

[Hairy Lime]

One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Trump and his people wouldnt have got something done by now? 

heh.

2.5 more lonnnnnng years......

Trump would have sided with Putin and taken Putin's word for why he invaded and what he intended to accomplish. We would not have supplied any arms to Ukraine unless they aided Ukraine politically. There would be no coordinated NATO response because Trump would not have led one. That is what Trump would have done based on his actual documented actions as President, and his comments after. Thank God we have an internationalist President who respects alliances and can hold NATO together.

You're out to lunch on this one, friend.

In all seriousness, what has Trump ever said or done that would make anyone think he could have successfully handled Putin? Or led NATO through this? I am willing to back everything i posited with things he did and said. You? What do you think he would have done that would have had a better outcome?

If Trump were President Zelenskyy would be in exile or a Russian prison right now.

[Holly Martins]

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/15/politics/russia-us-diplomatic-note/index.html

Russia has formally protested our aid to Ukraine and threatened "unpredictable consequences" should we proceed.

They also sent a cruise missile at Kyev. I'm sure it was a coincidence. Right?

Kid, I yield the point - the conflict has escalated.

[Oilcandide]

Seems like the choice is:

Stop sending weapons to Ukraine and I, Vlad, will reduce the country to rubble, claim the rubble heap for my empire, and then go start on the Baltics.

OR

Keep sending weapons and I will keep trying to reduce the country to rubble, etc.  Plus I will be reallly upset with you!

[Oilcandide]

The Russian government has just announced that the cruiser Moskva has been sent on a special mission to rid the floor of the Black Sea of Nazis.

[Hairy Lime]

Seems like the choice is:

Stop sending weapons to Ukraine and I, Vlad, will reduce the country to rubble, claim the rubble heap for my empire, and then go start on the Baltics.

OR

Keep sending weapons and I will keep trying to reduce the country to rubble, etc.  Plus I will be reallly upset with you!

Yeah, that "unpredictable consequences" reminded me of the scene in Life of Brian where the guy who is about to be stoned for saying Jehovah says it again, and the guard tells him he is only making it worse. "Making it worse? How can it get any worse?" Jehovah! Jehovah!"

Putin is already leveling Ukraine. He already has nukes near the Baltic states. What is he going to do, yell at us?

[LarryBnDC]

One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Trump and his people wouldnt have got something done by now? 

heh.

2.5 more lonnnnnng years......

Trump would have sided with Putin and taken Putin's word for why he invaded and what he intended to accomplish. We would not have supplied any arms to Ukraine unless they aided Ukraine politically. There would be no coordinated NATO response because Trump would not have led one. That is what Trump would have done based on his actual documented actions as President, and his comments after. Thank God we have an internationalist President who respects alliances and can hold NATO together.

You're out to lunch on this one, friend.

In all seriousness, what has Trump ever said or done that would make anyone think he could have successfully handled Putin? Or led NATO through this? I am willing to back everything i posited with things he did and said. You? What do you think he would have done that would have had a better outcome?

If Trump were President Zelenskyy would be in exile or a Russian prison right now.

True believer

[josh]

Seems like the choice is:

Stop sending weapons to Ukraine and I, Vlad, will reduce the country to rubble, claim the rubble heap for my empire, and then go start on the Baltics.

OR

Keep sending weapons and I will keep trying to reduce the country to rubble, etc.  Plus I will be reallly upset with you!

The question is whether Putin will do something outside of Ukraine in response or escalate types of weapons he's using to tactical nukes.

For example, he could attack whatever we use to transport the weapons or copters. Or he could launch a missile at a NATO airbase.

[bambu.]

Seems like the choice is:

Stop sending weapons to Ukraine and I, Vlad, will reduce the country to rubble, claim the rubble heap for my empire, and then go start on the Baltics.

OR

Keep sending weapons and I will keep trying to reduce the country to rubble, etc.  Plus I will be reallly upset with you!

The question is whether Putin will do something outside of Ukraine in response or escalate types of weapons he's using to tactical nukes.

For example, he could attack whatever we use to transport the weapons or copters. Or he could launch a missile at a NATO airbase.

In that case it must nearly be time to start firing missiles into Russia.

[facilitatorn]

Hopefully Putin has not lost the map with the circles on it showing which Russian cities are in range of NATO munitions at all times.

[josh]

Seems like the choice is:

Stop sending weapons to Ukraine and I, Vlad, will reduce the country to rubble, claim the rubble heap for my empire, and then go start on the Baltics.

OR

Keep sending weapons and I will keep trying to reduce the country to rubble, etc.  Plus I will be reallly upset with you!

The question is whether Putin will do something outside of Ukraine in response or escalate types of weapons he's using to tactical nukes.

For example, he could attack whatever we use to transport the weapons or copters. Or he could launch a missile at a NATO airbase.

In that case it must nearly be time to start firing missiles into Russia.

Bambu votes for thermonuclear war.

He isn't going to be alive much longer, so who cares about the future!

[josh]

Hopefully Putin has not lost the map with the circles on it showing which Russian cities are in range of NATO munitions at all times.

Putin, if he attacks, is likely betting that we don't want the kind of war that Bambu is hoping for.

[Holly Martins]

Total nuclear apostrophe.

[josh]

Total nuclear apostrophe.

We wouldn't be able to copy and past about it here at all!