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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[facilitatorn]

He fears that people IRL will realize what a prick and traitor he is and treat him accordingly.

This fear of Reds, unlike anything he posts here, is extremely well founded.

[Hairy Lime]

While you keep repeating your leading question  why risk nuclear war? 

Your lack of an answer renders you incapable of a meaningful debate.

Except of course he answered it in the part of the post you omitted.

Except, of course, he did not, he just changed the question.
Like you.

I see the concept of the term "rhetorical question" is beyond your ken.

[Espnthree]

While you keep repeating your leading question  why risk nuclear war? 

Your lack of an answer renders you incapable of a meaningful debate.

Except of course he answered it in the part of the post you omitted.

Except, of course, he did not, he just changed the question.
Like you.

I see the concept of the term "rhetorical question" is beyond your ken.

I see playing with nuclear destruction over a rhetorical question as being fucking stupid.

[Yankguy1]

I get a little turned on when Red uses profanity.

[LarryBnDC]

While you keep repeating your leading question  why risk nuclear war? 

Your lack of an answer renders you incapable of a meaningful debate.

Except of course he answered it in the part of the post you omitted.

Except, of course, he did not, he just changed the question.
Like you.

I see the concept of the term "rhetorical question" is beyond your ken.

I see playing with nuclear destruction over a rhetorical question as being fucking stupid.

Only one threatening to throw nukes is the guy who in the process would irradiate his own country.

So Putin grabs his dick and throws up gang sign and Republicans are ready to give him everything he sought when he invaded... and before he got his ass kicked.

[facilitatorn]

Republicans like to lay back and spread it for any very awful man. They pine to be infected, discarded, and abused. It is the only way to explain their choice of candidates domestically and their choice of heroes in the murderers row of autocratic villains from other countries for whom they swoon and drop their panties.

It is almost certain this is a result of concurrent fatal flaws in the way republicans lie to each other and raise their children.

[Espnthree]

Sign of the Times.


Hurricane Ravaged Florida Town Raises Ukraine Flag So Congress Will Send Aid


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[facilitatorn]

Russia needs front line kindling fodder, Ward. Your fifth column activity will no longer do. Your dog-king, Putin demands you stop your cringy bloviating and get your subservient self to Mariupol before the Russians lose that too.

If you have any suckass republican friends, Putin says you should bring them along as well.

I did not want to pass that along, but the coms are so bad on your side it was the only way the message would ever get through.

It does not occur to some people that what is happening to Ukraine is many times worse than any hurricane because those people have already destroyed their brains in service of a dead fascist future and the end of mankind.

[Holly Martins]

George Will:

Furthermore, if Russian President Vladimir Putin s thinly veiled nuclear threats are seen to deter the Biden administration from taking the next step that military logic entails - sophisticated drones for Ukraine - there will be two terrible consequences: Putin will repeatedly make such threats, and the nuclear nonproliferation regime will unravel as other nations ruthless and reckless leaders see the practicality of nuclear weapons and build them...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/05/ukraine-war-aid-us-drones-needed/

Me:  Putin uses his tactical nukes as weapons of intimidation (he knows that actual use as weapons would send radioactive dust into Russia as well as Ukraine).  The best way to defuse a weapon of intimidation...is to not be intimidated.  And, as signatories of NATO, and a nation seen as providing leadership in that organization, it is our duty not to be intimidated. 

Here's the PW-free screenshot of the George Will column....

https://archive.ph/gtrbu

[bambu.]

Sign of the Times.


Hurricane Ravaged Florida Town Raises Ukraine Flag So Congress Will Send Aid


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Hurricane ravaged Florida residents should not have to beg for aid...the aid should be automatic.
Military aircraft flying the American flag should be arriving to take Florida residents affected to safety interstate, good food, good medical, good accomm in good tent cities erected immediately the hurricane struck.
My former no1 radio host championed a 'National Disaster Fund', into which govts would deposit funds on a regular basis so that when disaster struck there would be no delay in helping victims.
The politicians just ignored his idea.
They also ignored his 'Watering Australia' idea that would ensure there was enough water everywhere in case of drought.

[Espnthree]

George Will:

Furthermore, if Russian President Vladimir Putin s thinly veiled nuclear threats are seen to deter the Biden administration from taking the next step that military logic entails - sophisticated drones for Ukraine - there will be two terrible consequences: Putin will repeatedly make such threats, and the nuclear nonproliferation regime will unravel as other nations ruthless and reckless leaders see the practicality of nuclear weapons and build them...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/05/ukraine-war-aid-us-drones-needed/

Me:  Putin uses his tactical nukes as weapons of intimidation (he knows that actual use as weapons would send radioactive dust into Russia as well as Ukraine).  The best way to defuse a weapon of intimidation...is to not be intimidated.  And, as signatories of NATO, and a nation seen as providing leadership in that organization, it is our duty not to be intimidated. 

Here's the PW-free screenshot of the George Will column....

https://archive.ph/gtrbu

Stepping up your reading past The Guardian is healthy for you.

[Hairy Lime]

Sign of the Times.


Hurricane Ravaged Florida Town Raises Ukraine Flag So Congress Will Send Aid


🤣

Hurricane ravaged Florida residents should not have to beg for aid...the aid should be automatic.

They do not. Federal disaster relief aid has  even flowing there already, with more to come. Whatever allegedly satiric web site RedDickJimmEspn pulled that from is ignoring the facts. Notably in the 8mmediate.aftermath of Ian Congress authorized more aid and EVERY SINGLE REPUBILICAN FROM FLORIDA VOTED AGAINST IT.

[Espnthree]

Sign of the Times.


Hurricane Ravaged Florida Town Raises Ukraine Flag So Congress Will Send Aid


🤣

Hurricane ravaged Florida residents should not have to beg for aid...the aid should be automatic.

They do not. Federal disaster relief aid has  even flowing there already, with more to come. Whatever allegedly satiric web site RedDickJimmEspn pulled that from is ignoring the facts. Notably in the 8mmediate.aftermath of Ian Congress authorized more aid and EVERY SINGLE REPUBILICAN FROM FLORIDA VOTED AGAINST IT.

Nice distortion.
The bill passed was a stop gap funding bill for the entire Government which included IAN disaster  relief.
The Florida republicans asked for a separate funding bill TARGETED to relief from the hurricane.
I can see why you are confused.

[Holly Martins]

George Will:

Furthermore, if Russian President Vladimir Putin s thinly veiled nuclear threats are seen to deter the Biden administration from taking the next step that military logic entails - sophisticated drones for Ukraine - there will be two terrible consequences: Putin will repeatedly make such threats, and the nuclear nonproliferation regime will unravel as other nations ruthless and reckless leaders see the practicality of nuclear weapons and build them...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/05/ukraine-war-aid-us-drones-needed/

Me:  Putin uses his tactical nukes as weapons of intimidation (he knows that actual use as weapons would send radioactive dust into Russia as well as Ukraine).  The best way to defuse a weapon of intimidation...is to not be intimidated.  And, as signatories of NATO, and a nation seen as providing leadership in that organization, it is our duty not to be intimidated. 

Here's the PW-free screenshot of the George Will column....

https://archive.ph/gtrbu

Stepping up your reading past The Guardian is healthy for you.

You seem confused. 

I read ApNews and NPR daily, and WaPo.  Guardian once/week.  The column was in WaPo.

Will is a conservative, making the same case for supporting Ukraine that I was yesterday.   Lime also covered those points, possibly more generous with his sardines than I was.   

[Espnthree]

George Will:

Furthermore, if Russian President Vladimir Putin s thinly veiled nuclear threats are seen to deter the Biden administration from taking the next step that military logic entails - sophisticated drones for Ukraine - there will be two terrible consequences: Putin will repeatedly make such threats, and the nuclear nonproliferation regime will unravel as other nations ruthless and reckless leaders see the practicality of nuclear weapons and build them...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/05/ukraine-war-aid-us-drones-needed/

Me:  Putin uses his tactical nukes as weapons of intimidation (he knows that actual use as weapons would send radioactive dust into Russia as well as Ukraine).  The best way to defuse a weapon of intimidation...is to not be intimidated.  And, as signatories of NATO, and a nation seen as providing leadership in that organization, it is our duty not to be intimidated. 

Here's the PW-free screenshot of the George Will column....

https://archive.ph/gtrbu

Stepping up your reading past The Guardian is healthy for you.

You seem confused. 

I read ApNews and NPR daily, and WaPo.  Guardian once/week.  The column was in WaPo.

Will is a conservative, making the same case for supporting Ukraine that I was yesterday.   Lime also covered those points, possibly more generous with his sardines than I was.

So what? Neither you nor Hairy, nor Will make a case that interfering in a border fight is worth the billions of dollars we have borrowed  (with billions more to come) plus the added stress of discussing nuclear conflict.
It is not.  In fact it is stupid and dangerous
But seeing you citing George Will is worth the laugh.
I am sure you also agree with his blistering criticism of Biden on other matters in that article.
Yes?