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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[luee]

Diferent from WWII everyone is prepared and armed. Only way someone wins is if everybody(humankind)loses. Right now Ukraine is rubble and Russia is a total fiscal mess. Where is Putin going? Crazy fascist bastard just like the last one.

[facilitatorn]

Putin is par for any so-called leader with an anti-immigrant platform.

[LarryB!]

The Russian Bear has discovered how hard it is to swallow a porcupine.

Putin is learning a hard lesson from the tougher than expected resistance mounted by Ukraine:

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

Mike Tyson

This post aged pretty well.

[bambu.]

If you believe some of the reports, China is about to help Putin and Russia more, big time...get into their bed and under the covers, very cosy, beyond the help it's now giving them...buying energy etc.


 

[Oiled]

What reports are those?

[Oiled]

The Russian Bear has discovered how hard it is to swallow a porcupine.

Putin is learning a hard lesson from the tougher than expected resistance mounted by Ukraine:

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

Mike Tyson

This post aged pretty well.

Yes.  And the porcupine is being trained to use more advanced quills. 

And Russian strategy and military structure is really poor.  It's like they have a chronic learning disability.  Ukrainians otoh learn, adapt, improvise, and benefit from the greater autonomy of units.  Future militaries will be studying them for a long time to come.

[bambu.]

"China and Russia reaffirm close ties as Putin meets top diplomat."
Judging by the video I saw on tv...Putin is now China's b.....!
Putin sure looked subserviant...."grovelling" is a word some people might use.
A suggestion was made that "China doesn't was the US being able to concentrate solely on Indo Pacific".

[Oiled]

What reports are those?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/19/world/europe/us-china-weapons-russia-ukraine.html

Thanks, B.

Here's a screenshot for any paywall hitters:

https://archive.is/xrUnU

[bambu.]

Patrick Wintour Diplomatic Editor,
The Guardian.

The German foreign minister, Annalena Baerbock, clashed with Chinese diplomats on Thursday, passionately rejecting their claim that the west was adding fuel to the fire by arming Ukraine.

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Go Annalena!

[bambu.]

cont'd:

Baerbock said it was time for China to tell Russia to stop its aggression.

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Indeed it is!


At the UN...

China intervened to present itself as above the conflict by proposing a catalogue of measures: a ceasefire, dialogue, security guarantees for Russia, protection of civilians and the upholding of territorial integrity.

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Mmm, wonder what China was doing when Russia was blowing up all those civilians, turning them into corpses and maiming others for life.
Ceasefire is a good idea, with Russia packing up and leaving Ukraine permanently...no coming back in 6 months time for another invasion.
Putin retires to "spend more time with his family", more than many Ukrainians can do since his invasion slaughtered their families.
China contributes to the rebuilding of Ukraine.
West arms Ukraine with all the latest weapons, just in case.
Ukraine joins NATO. That should be fine, because Russia wouldn't be invading again, would it?


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There's no such thing as too much security.

[LarryB!]

Putins Chef is cooking up division among the Oligarchs


https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/02/23/wagner-group-leader-photo-russian-soldiers-dead-james-spider-marks-sot-eboj-vpx.cnn

[Oiled]

China intervened to present itself as above the conflict by proposing a catalogue of measures...and the upholding of territorial integrity.

Whatever that means.  China is threading a very tiny needle, trying to stay tight with Russia while pressing them to get out of Ukraine. 

[FlyingVProd]

We cannot drive out darkness with more darkness, we need to bring in some light.

We need to change how the Russians think and feel, and then we can change how they behave.

Right now the Russians need to understand that if they fight for Putin then they are just behaving as cannon fodder for a mad man, there is no future in Putin's vision, and thus the Russians are just giving their lives for nothing, Putin is not worth dying for. That is what we need to teach to the Russians.

And we need to give the Russians a better alternative to Putin to support, like Poland had Lech Walesa. We need to have a plan that can succeed. Putin will never succeed, we need to convince the Russians that Putin is a lost cause, and we need to give the Russians a better leader to support. We need to have a plan for success and the Russians need for a successful and peaceful leader to replace Putin. We need to convince the Russians that it would be better for everyone if Russia had a new leader and if we could have peace and prosperity.

Salute,

Tony V.

[facilitatorn]

Russia needs to lose to the point where it cannot keep troops in Ukraine at all.

Ukraine needs to keep frustrating Russian attacks while the ground is soupy and degrading back line command and supply. At the same time they need to be positioning their resources for the firming of the terrain.

From the tempo it seems Ukraine is feeling increased confidence about its artillery ammunition supply. 

[LarryB!]

We cannot drive out darkness with more darkness, we need to bring in some light.

We need to change how the Russians think and feel, and then we can change how they behave.

Right now the Russians need to understand that if they fight for Putin then they are just behaving as cannon fodder for a mad man, there is no future in Putin's vision, and thus the Russians are just giving their lives for nothing, Putin is not worth dying for. That is what we need to teach to the Russians.

And we need to give the Russians a better alternative to Putin to support, like Poland had Lech Walesa. We need to have a plan that can succeed. Putin will never succeed, we need to convince the Russians that Putin is a lost cause, and we need to give the Russians a better leader to support. We need to have a plan for success and the Russians need for a successful and peaceful leader to replace Putin. We need to convince the Russians that it would be better for everyone if Russia had a new leader and if we could have peace and prosperity.

Salute,

Tony V.

Tell all of that to the MAGA Republicans who are backing Putin.