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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[bambu.]

Russian troops are castrating Ukrainian POWs, reportedly.
In reply, Ukrainian military should...well, you wouldn't like the suggestions.

Doing nothing will only embolden the butchering Russians.

[FlyingVProd]

Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that.

Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.

We need for the sane people of Russia to stand up and stop the atrocities, we need to appeal to the actors, singers, dancers, writers, and other artists, as well as appealing to the sane business people of Russia who want to do world trade, as well as appealing to the scientists and astronauts, etc, we need for the best and the brightest in Russia to rise up and stop Putin. And as the good people in Russia rise up against Putin, then we need to support the good people in the overthrow of Putin.

Already the Russian Ballet has opposed the war...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/arts/dance/olga-smirnova-bolshoi-ballet-ukraine-war.html

We need for everyone to appeal to the good sane people of Russia to rise up and to stop Putin.

We need for love to stop the hate. We need for the good people to band together and to rise up and to stop the war.

Salute,

Tony V.

[bambu.]

Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that.

Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.

We need for the sane people of Russia to stand up and stop the atrocities, we need to appeal to the actors, singers, dancers, writers, and other artists, as well as appealing to the sane business people of Russia who want to do world trade, as well as appealing to the scientists and astronauts, etc, we need for the best and the brightest in Russia to rise up and stop Putin. And as the good people in Russia rise up against Putin, then we need to support the good people in the overthrow of Putin.

Already the Russian Ballet has opposed the war...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/arts/dance/olga-smirnova-bolshoi-ballet-ukraine-war.html

We need for everyone to appeal to the good sane people of Russia to rise up and to stop Putin.

We need for love to stop the hate. We need for the good people to band together and to rise up and to stop the war.

Salute,

Tony V.

The sane people of Russia won't do anything, because they can't do anything.
No way they can rise up, they are unarmed and would just be slaughtered.
This is exactly why many Americans have armed themselves.

It's life as usual for the sane people of Russia. Shops are full of grocerie

The 'Spring offensive' by Ukraine is doomed, Russia has air superior and has laid mines and dug trenches.
That's it...Russia has won, like it was always going to do.
This war will go on for years...but Russia will eventually prevail.
The West seems to have lost interest.

[FlyingVProd]

Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that.

Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.

We need for the sane people of Russia to stand up and stop the atrocities, we need to appeal to the actors, singers, dancers, writers, and other artists, as well as appealing to the sane business people of Russia who want to do world trade, as well as appealing to the scientists and astronauts, etc, we need for the best and the brightest in Russia to rise up and stop Putin. And as the good people in Russia rise up against Putin, then we need to support the good people in the overthrow of Putin.

Already the Russian Ballet has opposed the war...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/arts/dance/olga-smirnova-bolshoi-ballet-ukraine-war.html

We need for everyone to appeal to the good sane people of Russia to rise up and to stop Putin.

We need for love to stop the hate. We need for the good people to band together and to rise up and to stop the war.

Salute,

Tony V.

The sane people of Russia won't do anything, because they can't do anything.
No way they can rise up, they are unarmed and would just be slaughtered.
This is exactly why many Americans have armed themselves.

It's life as usual for the sane people of Russia. Shops are full of grocerie

The 'Spring offensive' by Ukraine is doomed, Russia has air superior and has laid mines and dug trenches.
That's it...Russia has won, like it was always going to do.
This war will go on for years...but Russia will eventually prevail.
The West seems to have lost interest.

I sent a message to Vice President Harris on Facebook, maybe she will read it, and maybe it can help.

And we need to bring in the Harvard Students to help. The Stanford Students are welcome to help too. And Pepperdine. All hands on deck.

Salute,

Tony V.

[facilitatorn]

Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that.

Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.

We need for the sane people of Russia to stand up and stop the atrocities, we need to appeal to the actors, singers, dancers, writers, and other artists, as well as appealing to the sane business people of Russia who want to do world trade, as well as appealing to the scientists and astronauts, etc, we need for the best and the brightest in Russia to rise up and stop Putin. And as the good people in Russia rise up against Putin, then we need to support the good people in the overthrow of Putin.

Already the Russian Ballet has opposed the war...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/arts/dance/olga-smirnova-bolshoi-ballet-ukraine-war.html

We need for everyone to appeal to the good sane people of Russia to rise up and to stop Putin.

We need for love to stop the hate. We need for the good people to band together and to rise up and to stop the war.

Salute,

Tony V.

The sane people of Russia won't do anything, because they can't do anything.
No way they can rise up, they are unarmed and would just be slaughtered.
This is exactly why many Americans have armed themselves.

It's life as usual for the sane people of Russia. Shops are full of grocerie

The 'Spring offensive' by Ukraine is doomed, Russia has air superior and has laid mines and dug trenches.
That's it...Russia has won, like it was always going to do.
This war will go on for years...but Russia will eventually prevail.
The West seems to have lost interest.

Time to change your panties, grandma, and your sources of news.

[luee]

Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

[bambu.]

Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.
World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".
Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.

[Hairy Lime]

Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.

What part of the War in Ukraine are you missing out on? The west en masse did not arm the Czechs to fight a proxy war, or the Loyalists in Spain.

World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".

Who in the West is neutral? Even fucking Sweden which has been neutral since Charles XII bit it at Fredriksten has taken a side.

Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.

That would not have stopped WW II. Arguably the penalties placed on Germany after the Great War created the conditions that led to Hitler, and you want to make them worse.

[bambu.]

Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.

What part of the War in Ukraine are you missing out on? The west en masse did not arm the Czechs to fight a proxy war, or the Loyalists in Spain.

World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".

Who in the West is neutral? Even fucking Sweden which has been neutral since Charles XII bit it at Fredriksten has taken a side.

Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.

That would not have stopped WW II. Arguably the penalties placed on Germany after the Great War created the conditions that led to Hitler, and you want to make them worse.

Only very recently have many countries that were calling themselves neutral rushed to join NATO.
Neutral  countries now are Ireland, Japan  Austria, Serbia, Croatia?, Liechtenstein, , Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Monaco, Moldova, Panama, Rwanda, San Marino, Singapore, Switzerland, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vatican City., Costa Rica.

India, nuke-armed, looks to be friendly to everyone.

No Germany, there would've been no Nazis, no Hitler, no WW2....US, Britain etc would've owned and run Germany

[FlyingVProd]

We changed some things after World War II so that we could prevent future world wars and so that we can prevent holocausts, etc. We created the CIA so that we have information so that we can act on reliable information, we need to know what is going on so that we can prevent holocausts, etc. And we created the United Nations which is the hope of the world, hopefully we can work together to prevent wars, and to feed the hungry, and I support UNICEF, etc.

So, we need to put together some task forces to stop the war and to put in a new Government in Russia who we can support and who will be friendly with the world, and we can have a world where Russian scientists can help to cure Cancer, and where Russian astronauts can go with us to Mars, etc. We can have a task force consisting of Harvard Students, and they can have access to the CIA and to the United Nations, etc, and we can have a task force at Stanford, and at Pepperdine, etc, and the task forces can share information with each other, etc. And the task forces can be in contact with Biden and Harris, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.

[LarryB!]

Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.

What part of the War in Ukraine are you missing out on? The west en masse did not arm the Czechs to fight a proxy war, or the Loyalists in Spain.

World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".

Who in the West is neutral? Even fucking Sweden which has been neutral since Charles XII bit it at Fredriksten has taken a side.

Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.

That would not have stopped WW II. Arguably the penalties placed on Germany after the Great War created the conditions that led to Hitler, and you want to make them worse.

Only very recently have many countries that were calling themselves neutral rushed to join NATO.
Neutral  countries now are Ireland, Japan  Austria, Serbia, Croatia?, Liechtenstein, , Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Monaco, Moldova, Panama, Rwanda, San Marino, Singapore, Switzerland, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vatican City., Costa Rica.

India, nuke-armed, looks to be friendly to everyone.

No Germany, there would've been no Nazis, no Hitler, no WW2....US, Britain etc would've owned and run Germany

Hitler was Austrian

[Hairy Lime]

Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.

What part of the War in Ukraine are you missing out on? The west en masse did not arm the Czechs to fight a proxy war, or the Loyalists in Spain.

World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".

Who in the West is neutral? Even fucking Sweden which has been neutral since Charles XII bit it at Fredriksten has taken a side.

Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.

That would not have stopped WW II. Arguably the penalties placed on Germany after the Great War created the conditions that led to Hitler, and you want to make them worse.

Only very recently have many countries that were calling themselves neutral rushed to join NATO.
Neutral  countries now are Ireland, Japan  Austria, Serbia, Croatia?, Liechtenstein, , Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Monaco, Moldova, Panama, Rwanda, San Marino, Singapore, Switzerland, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vatican City., Costa Rica.

India, nuke-armed, looks to be friendly to everyone.

No Germany, there would've been no Nazis, no Hitler, no WW2....US, Britain etc would've owned and run Germany

If you think an occupying force would have tapped down the problems that led to the rise of Hitler and German militarism you have not been paying attention to the world.

[facilitatorn]

I do think Bambu has been paying attention to the world, but he has and will look at it through all the wrong lenses which amounts to the same thing as not paying attention but takes more effort on his part.

Switzerland is the remaining neutral highly armed pacifist in Europe. They have several gold hoards to consider any of which individually would eventually warp even the strongest minds. 

[bambu.]

Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.

What part of the War in Ukraine are you missing out on? The west en masse did not arm the Czechs to fight a proxy war, or the Loyalists in Spain.

World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".

Who in the West is neutral? Even fucking Sweden which has been neutral since Charles XII bit it at Fredriksten has taken a side.

Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.

That would not have stopped WW II. Arguably the penalties placed on Germany after the Great War created the conditions that led to Hitler, and you want to make them worse.

Only very recently have many countries that were calling themselves neutral rushed to join NATO.
Neutral  countries now are Ireland, Japan  Austria, Serbia, Croatia?, Liechtenstein, , Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Monaco, Moldova, Panama, Rwanda, San Marino, Singapore, Switzerland, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vatican City., Costa Rica.

India, nuke-armed, looks to be friendly to everyone.

No Germany, there would've been no Nazis, no Hitler, no WW2....US, Britain etc would've owned and run Germany

Hitler was Austrian

I know.
But his military and evil cohorts were German.
US-Britain owned and run country renamed 'Hopeland' would not have allowed the Holocaust and other atrocities.
No Hitler Youth Movement, no Auschwitz...only American and British cultures allowed.

Anyway it didn't happen...they just handed the country back to Germany and basically said "have another turn", so it did.

[Hairy Lime]

Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.

What part of the War in Ukraine are you missing out on? The west en masse did not arm the Czechs to fight a proxy war, or the Loyalists in Spain.

World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".

Who in the West is neutral? Even fucking Sweden which has been neutral since Charles XII bit it at Fredriksten has taken a side.

Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.

That would not have stopped WW II. Arguably the penalties placed on Germany after the Great War created the conditions that led to Hitler, and you want to make them worse.

Only very recently have many countries that were calling themselves neutral rushed to join NATO.
Neutral  countries now are Ireland, Japan  Austria, Serbia, Croatia?, Liechtenstein, , Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Monaco, Moldova, Panama, Rwanda, San Marino, Singapore, Switzerland, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vatican City., Costa Rica.

India, nuke-armed, looks to be friendly to everyone.

No Germany, there would've been no Nazis, no Hitler, no WW2....US, Britain etc would've owned and run Germany

Hitler was Austrian

I know.
But his military and evil cohorts were German.
US-Britain owned and run country renamed 'Hopeland' would not have allowed the Holocaust and other atrocities.
No Hitler Youth Movement, no Auschwitz...only American and British cultures allowed.

Anyway it didn't happen...they just handed the country back to Germany and basically said "have another turn", so it did.

Why am I not surprised you back Cultural Genocide?

Nice to know you are as ignorant of history as you are the world you live in. A short list of who would never support a UK/US German occupation:

Germany
Germans
France, who suffered the most casualties of the Entente powers and where most of the battles on the Western Front were fought and who would never agree to a UK/US partnership on their physical border.
The UK, which lacked the funds, manpower and public appetite for the troop commitment for an occupation force.
The US, which was so firmly isolationist that it never joined the League of Nations - and it was our Ficking idea.
The Soviet Union.
Italy.
Belgium.
Literally every other nation on the planet including San Marino.