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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[Oilcandide]

Lukashenko probably welcomed Wagner because he's afraid to mobilize his own army and face the good chance they will turn on him.   Lots of Uke sympathizers in Belarus.

[bambu.]

Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.

What part of the War in Ukraine are you missing out on? The west en masse did not arm the Czechs to fight a proxy war, or the Loyalists in Spain.

World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".

Who in the West is neutral? Even fucking Sweden which has been neutral since Charles XII bit it at Fredriksten has taken a side.

Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.

That would not have stopped WW II. Arguably the penalties placed on Germany after the Great War created the conditions that led to Hitler, and you want to make them worse.

Only very recently have many countries that were calling themselves neutral rushed to join NATO.
Neutral  countries now are Ireland, Japan  Austria, Serbia, Croatia?, Liechtenstein, , Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Monaco, Moldova, Panama, Rwanda, San Marino, Singapore, Switzerland, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vatican City., Costa Rica.

India, nuke-armed, looks to be friendly to everyone.

No Germany, there would've been no Nazis, no Hitler, no WW2....US, Britain etc would've owned and run Germany

Hitler was Austrian

I know.
But his military and evil cohorts were German.
US-Britain owned and run country renamed 'Hopeland' would not have allowed the Holocaust and other atrocities.
No Hitler Youth Movement, no Auschwitz...only American and British cultures allowed.

Anyway it didn't happen...they just handed the country back to Germany and basically said "have another turn", so it did.

Why am I not surprised you back Cultural Genocide?

Nice to know you are as ignorant of history as you are the world you live in. A short list of who would never support a UK/US German occupation:

Germany
Germans
France, who suffered the most casualties of the Entente powers and where most of the battles on the Western Front were fought and who would never agree to a UK/US partnership on their physical border.
The UK, which lacked the funds, manpower and public appetite for the troop commitment for an occupation force.
The US, which was so firmly isolationist that it never joined the League of Nations - and it was our Ficking idea.
The Soviet Union.
Italy.
Belgium.
Literally every other nation on the planet including San Marino.

Yes, and that's exactly why what happened happened.

[Hairy Lime]

Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.

What part of the War in Ukraine are you missing out on? The west en masse did not arm the Czechs to fight a proxy war, or the Loyalists in Spain.

World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".

Who in the West is neutral? Even fucking Sweden which has been neutral since Charles XII bit it at Fredriksten has taken a side.

Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.

That would not have stopped WW II. Arguably the penalties placed on Germany after the Great War created the conditions that led to Hitler, and you want to make them worse.

Only very recently have many countries that were calling themselves neutral rushed to join NATO.
Neutral  countries now are Ireland, Japan  Austria, Serbia, Croatia?, Liechtenstein, , Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Monaco, Moldova, Panama, Rwanda, San Marino, Singapore, Switzerland, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vatican City., Costa Rica.

India, nuke-armed, looks to be friendly to everyone.

No Germany, there would've been no Nazis, no Hitler, no WW2....US, Britain etc would've owned and run Germany

Hitler was Austrian

I know.
But his military and evil cohorts were German.
US-Britain owned and run country renamed 'Hopeland' would not have allowed the Holocaust and other atrocities.
No Hitler Youth Movement, no Auschwitz...only American and British cultures allowed.

Anyway it didn't happen...they just handed the country back to Germany and basically said "have another turn", so it did.

Why am I not surprised you back Cultural Genocide?

Nice to know you are as ignorant of history as you are the world you live in. A short list of who would never support a UK/US German occupation:

Germany
Germans
France, who suffered the most casualties of the Entente powers and where most of the battles on the Western Front were fought and who would never agree to a UK/US partnership on their physical border.
The UK, which lacked the funds, manpower and public appetite for the troop commitment for an occupation force.
The US, which was so firmly isolationist that it never joined the League of Nations - and it was our Ficking idea.
The Soviet Union.
Italy.
Belgium.
Literally every other nation on the planet including San Marino.

Yes, and that's exactly why what happened happened.

No, it is not.

[bambu.]

Yes it is...they just allowed Germany to be Germany again, no governance by a Coalition of the Allies...Germany just allowed to go on its merry way re-arming and building a massive military, which it then used to invade other countries and butcher and slaughter at will.

It should never have neen allowed to happen.

[LarryB!]

Yes it is...they just allowed Germany to be Germany again, no governance by a Coalition of the Allies...Germany just allowed to go on its merry way re-arming and building a massive military, which it then used to invade other countries and butcher and slaughter at will.

It should never have neen allowed to happen.

Germany rearmed with assists from American corporations and leaders such as Prescott Bush and Henry Ford.
Germany had many supporters in the run up to WWII including the American Hero Charles Lindbergh and the huge network of America First supporters.

[bambu.]

Yes it is...they just allowed Germany to be Germany again, no governance by a Coalition of the Allies...Germany just allowed to go on its merry way re-arming and building a massive military, which it then used to invade other countries and butcher and slaughter at will.

It should never have neen allowed to happen.

Germany rearmed with assists from American corporations and leaders such as Prescott Bush and Henry Ford.
Germany had many supporters in the run up to WWII including the American Hero Charles Lindbergh and the huge network of America First supporters.

Madness....for which others paid a huge price.

[bambu.]

Ukraine can't make any progress...doesn't have the equipment.
Oh well, that's what happens when you have to rely on others for your security.

If only Ukraine had nukes, Russia and Belarus would likely not be so bold.
If Australia had nukes, and nuke-armed subs cruising around, ready to fire nuke missiles at Beijing at a moment's notice...I suggest China would likely not be so bold.

[facilitatorn]

You can hide in your coal mines.

Run silent. Run deep.

[FlyingVProd]

Ukraine needs to open a line of credit with the World Bank to pay their own way, instead of making the USA get in debt to support Ukraine.

Lots can be done to bring this war to a speedy end, wise people must be in charge. We can have Task Forces at Harvard, Pepperdine, and at Stanford, etc, and the Task Forces can have access to the CIA and to the United Nations, and the Task forces can be in contact with President Biden and with Vice President Harris, etc. The Task Forces can seek to stop Putin, and to replace Putin with a government which can be friendly with the world, and we can have Russian scientists helping to cure Cancer, and we can have Russian astronauts to go with us to Mars, etc, etc, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.

[facilitatorn]

Lets see how far we get with Russian money rebuilding Ukraine.

[LarryB!]

Ukraine needs to open a line of credit with the World Bank to pay their own way, instead of making the USA get in debt to support Ukraine.

Lots can be done to bring this war to a speedy end, wise people must be in charge. We can have Task Forces at Harvard, Pepperdine, and at Stanford, etc, and the Task Forces can have access to the CIA and to the United Nations, and the Task forces can be in contact with President Biden and with Vice President Harris, etc. The Task Forces can seek to stop Putin, and to replace Putin with a government which can be friendly with the world, and we can have Russian scientists helping to cure Cancer, and we can have Russian astronauts to go with us to Mars, etc, etc, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.

Lort!

[bambu.]

Leftist hero PM 'Albo' of bambuland is sending Ukraine old trucks as aid package.
The Right is outraged. Severely critical.
Kyiv has requested for months more Bushmaster vehicles, Abrams tanks, and a fleet of Hawkei protected mobility vehicles.
The Right says Ukraine should be given what it wants and needs.

Hopefully PM 'Albo' will be making an announcement of further aid to Ukraine, what it wants and needs, at the NATO summit in Europe soon.

[luee]

No us troops or lives is a much better way to go.

[facilitatorn]

No us troops or lives is a much better way to go.

Good to see you endorsing Biden policies more and more each day.

You kick and scream all the time. It is nice once in a while to see you lurch a little in the right direction.

[bambu.]

US President Biden has promised to go to war with China if it attacks Taiwan.