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[Oilcandide]

REPOSTED FIRST REPLY POST, DUE TO PAGE BREAK

Raccacoonie!

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2023/03/covid-origins-research-raccoon-dogs-wuhan-market-lab-leak/673390/

The STRONGEST EVIDENCE TO DATE ?
Written by a staff writer at the Atlantic whose source was a scientist NOT INVOLVED in the  research?

Well, suppose it is true.

Then explain how the left has been bellowing for three years that the previous evidence clearly pointed to the wet market?

These animals are sold in such markets, as the article made clear to those who read it.  The racoon dog DNA traces, evidence shared with the larger scientific community, add to the strength of the basic theory that there was an animal intermediary between bats and humans.   Epidemiology tends to work on accumulations of evidence from various sources, and often finds more than one intermediary species.  Pangolins could be another, as could red foxes, palm civets and mink.   This has nothing to do with the "Left" and is about various lines of scientific evidence that point towards the similarity of many many disease outbreaks from places where there is low sanitation, high human proximity, and animal species that carry a virus.

[Espnthree]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-evidence-supports-animal-origin-of-covid-virus-through-raccoon-dogs/

Florence Debarre, an evolutionary biologist at the French National Center for Scientific Research discovered genetic sequences of the virus that researchers in China, led by George Gao, former head of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, had uploaded to a public genomic database called GISAID. The sequences were subsequently taken down but not before several other researchers from different countries downloaded and analyzed them. Samples containing viral RNA, which had been collected at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in early 2020, also contained genetic material from raccoon dogs, a foxlike type of canid apparently sold at the market, as well as other animals. The genetic material came from the same areas of the market where COVID was found, suggesting that the raccoon dogs may have been infected with the virus (possibly by other animals) and could have been the first to spread the virus to humans.

Hope that helps.

Helps what?

[Oilcandide]

Your post earlier:

Then explain how the left has been bellowing for three years that the previous evidence clearly pointed to the wet market?

So I posted, at some expenditure of time, how this new evidence does in fact lend further support to wet market transmission.  Are you really unable to connect your question to the bolded sections of the Scientific American clip?

My clips also clarify how the data was uploaded and shared, another matter on which you seemed concerned.  Various sources, thanks to access to the Chinese-collected samples, could analyze the genomes of those samples and find the raccoon dog sequences.

You're welcome.

[Espnthree]

Epidemiology tends to work on accumulations of evidence from various sources, and often finds more than one intermediary species.  Pangolins could be another, as could red foxes, palm civets and mink.   This has nothing to do with the "Left" and is about various lines of scientific evidence that point towards the similarity of many many disease outbreaks from places where there is low sanitation, high human proximity, and animal species that carry a virus.

Sure, and this type of evidence was ignored by the epidemiologists at the FBI and Department of Energy?

The point you continue to ignore is why you are so bent on blaming Covid on a wet market while ignoring the  suppression  of equally scientific findings of the Wuhan Lab connections.

[Oilcandide]

Sure, and this type of evidence was ignored by the epidemiologists at the FBI and Department of Energy?

No, but it was apparently given lesser weight by intelligence analysts not epidemiologists who were writing their intelligence reports.  Pretty much every scientist in relevant fields felt that was a mistake, especially given the new genomic DNA evidence.

[Oilcandide]

The point you continue to ignore is why you are so bent on blaming Covid on a wet market while ignoring the  suppression  of equally scientific findings of the Wuhan Lab connections.

Not bent on anything but seeing what genomic trace evidence can reveal.  The bolded words are incorrect.  There is no genomic trace data at all supporting a lab leak, let alone genomic trace data of equal weight to what we now have from the wet market samples.  If such data exists, it has not been shared.  I would welcome any such data if you have it available.  I simply want to know how the pathogen moved from bats to the human population, as do most scientists.  Given that 99% of viral infections pass to humans in this way, especially through densely packed Asian and Third World markets where human-animal proximity is high, it would be wise to entertain DNA evidence that supports this as yet another case of such zoonotic transmission. 

Actual scientists in those fields, like a friend of mine who works in a microbiology lab in Canada, are not interested in denying or ignoring any valid data sets.  Such narratives of denial are concocted in the media to create drama and stir up exciting scenarios of partisan battle.  That's why you're likely to find better reporting from journals like Scientific American or Nature.  I posted one such report from SciAm for people here to read.

Here it is again.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-evidence-supports-animal-origin-of-covid-virus-through-raccoon-dogs/

[Espnthree]

The point you continue to ignore is why you are so bent on blaming Covid on a wet market while ignoring the  suppression  of equally scientific findings of the Wuhan Lab connections.

Not bent on anything but seeing what genomic trace evidence can reveal.  The bolded words are incorrect. 

Says who?
Why are you reluctant to hear all opinions?
And why do  you continue to not object to the censorship of scientists with other perspectives?

[facilitatorn]

The consensus is that Red and trump killed grandma once the virus got to the United States. The republican party is being decommissioned as a result.

DeMint is quickly dumping his money into real estate before he is chucked in the river with the rest of the trash.

Donald is rehearsing his perp walk.

Get right with your soul, Red, while you still have time.

[Espnthree]

Sure, and this type of evidence was ignored by the epidemiologists at the FBI and Department of Energy?

No, but it was apparently given lesser weight by intelligence analysts not epidemiologists
 who were writing their intelligence reports.  Pretty much every scientist in relevant fields felt that was a mistake, especially given the new genomic DNA evidence.

Might want to research again.  Before you embarrass yourself even further.

Pretty much every scientist in relevant fields felt that was a mistake, especially given the new genomic DNA evidence.

Except the scientists and epidemiologists who work for the FBI and the Department of Energy. Again, no one knows the origin ( and probably never will).
But we do know for certain that Covid came from China whose communist leaders are purposely lying to prevent the world learning the truth which is unforgivable since we are all at risk in pandemics.
To combat the evils of Communism means ALL theories are worth researching and debating.
Not just the ones you favor.

[LarryB!]

The point you continue to ignore is why you are so bent on blaming Covid on a wet market while ignoring the  suppression  of equally scientific findings of the Wuhan Lab connections.

Not bent on anything but seeing what genomic trace evidence can reveal.  The bolded words are incorrect. 

Says who?
Why are you reluctant to hear all opinions?
And why do  you continue to not object to the censorship of scientists with other perspectives?

Just asking questions.

Take that Tucker Carlson bullshit elsewhere

[FlyingVProd]

Bambu, we have some F-104 Starfighters in storage in the desert that we can sell to Australia, and we make the Sidewinder Missiles here at China Lake, and so I asked the leaders at Edwards Air Force Base to help to make sure that the people of Australia are protected against rogue enemy missiles. But, the F-104 Starfighters need to be modified, you need to vector the thrust on the F-104 Starfighters in order to improve the steering and to help the F-104 to pull out of spins. And then, you also need to update all of the technology on the F-104 Starfighters.

We have a bunch of F-104 Starfighters in storage, but they need to be modified and updated.

And we can make more, Lockheed can manufacture new planes in Mojave, California, etc.

We need to be able to shoot down the Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles, etc.

And the F-104 Starfighter is a good chase plane for NASA.

Salute,

Tony V.

[bambu.]

Not the raccoon dogs' fault.
It's China's fault for allowing what goes on in China.

[LarryB!]

Bambu, we have some F-104 Starfighters in storage in the desert that we can sell to Australia, and we make the Sidewinder Missiles here at China Lake, and so I asked the leaders at Edwards Air Force Base to help to make sure that the people of Australia are protected against rogue enemy missiles. But, the F-104 Starfighters need to be modified, you need to vector the thrust on the F-104 Starfighters in order to improve the steering and to help the F-104 to pull out of spins. And then, you also need to update all of the technology on the F-104 Starfighters.

We have a bunch of F-104 Starfighters in storage, but they need to be modified and updated.

And we can make more, Lockheed can manufacture new planes in Mojave, California, etc.

We need to be able to shoot down the Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles, etc.

And the F-104 Starfighter is a good chase plane for NASA.

Salute,

Tony V.

RAF just caught a bunch of F-35s to replace the F-18s

[bambu.]

Bambu, we have some F-104 Starfighters in storage in the desert that we can sell to Australia, and we make the Sidewinder Missiles here at China Lake, and so I asked the leaders at Edwards Air Force Base to help to make sure that the people of Australia are protected against rogue enemy missiles. But, the F-104 Starfighters need to be modified, you need to vector the thrust on the F-104 Starfighters in order to improve the steering and to help the F-104 to pull out of spins. And then, you also need to update all of the technology on the F-104 Starfighters.

We have a bunch of F-104 Starfighters in storage, but they need to be modified and updated.

And we can make more, Lockheed can manufacture new planes in Mojave, California, etc.

We need to be able to shoot down the Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles, etc.

And the F-104 Starfighter is a good chase plane for NASA.

Salute,

Tony V.

Anything is better than what we have now, which is not much....and certainly nowhere near enough.
"Rocket Man" says he now has a rocket than can reach Australia. There needs to be a way to shoot it down before it blows me up. [being totally selfish]
And of course blows up my neighbours and friends.
My little dog also wouldn't like missiles falling all around.

It would be good if bambuworld had the capacity to fire a missile right back at him, blow up his house, with him in it.

[bambu.]

Bambu, we have some F-104 Starfighters in storage in the desert that we can sell to Australia, and we make the Sidewinder Missiles here at China Lake, and so I asked the leaders at Edwards Air Force Base to help to make sure that the people of Australia are protected against rogue enemy missiles. But, the F-104 Starfighters need to be modified, you need to vector the thrust on the F-104 Starfighters in order to improve the steering and to help the F-104 to pull out of spins. And then, you also need to update all of the technology on the F-104 Starfighters.

We have a bunch of F-104 Starfighters in storage, but they need to be modified and updated.

And we can make more, Lockheed can manufacture new planes in Mojave, California, etc.

We need to be able to shoot down the Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles, etc.

And the F-104 Starfighter is a good chase plane for NASA.

Salute,

Tony V.

RAF just caught a bunch of F-35s to replace the F-18s

Indeed, I'd forgotten about them and their capability.

For instance, an F-35 could fire air-to-ground bombs or missiles to explode the ICBM, or even use lasers and electronic warfare to incinerate, jam or disable the flight trajectory of an attacking ICBM.