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[bambu.]

So, in the absence of the stating of their solution/s for the whole Israel, Palestine, Hamas war etc, it must be assumed that those forumites here don't have one.

[jmmengel]

It is gratifying that a place kicker for the World Champion Kansas City Chiefs delivered a commencement address praising his Catholic values and his wife for assuming the difficult role of homemaker.
His advice to graduates to fall in love, get married, and raise a family was much needed for a a culture seemingly lost in perspective.

Even more encouraging his KC Jersey is a hot seller rivaling those of Patrick Mahommes and  his speech was praised by Whoopee Goldberg.

[FlyingVProd]

So, in the absence of the stating of their solution/s for the whole Israel, Palestine, Hamas war etc, it must be assumed that those forumites here don't have one.

The solution for Israel is to be left alone to live in peace and to prosper; regardless of what the Palestinians think or do. And Israel can have walls, and the Iron Dome missile defense system, etc.

And for the children of the region, there is the Kiwanis Village in Victoria, British Columbia, the forest of Canada would be a nice spot for the refugee children, and there are various peaceful forestry jobs there.

Also, the Muslims can be essential workers in Abu Dhabi, and in Dubai.

The Israelis need to just go about their lives, and get married, and have families, and raise children, etc, and do business, etc, and it does not matter what the Palestinians think.

Salute,

Tony V.

[LarryB!]

So, in the absence of the stating of their solution/s for the whole Israel, Palestine, Hamas war etc, it must be assumed that those forumites here don't have one.

The Palestinians get Gaza and West Bank with a leadership alternative to Hamas. Israeli settlers get the fuck out of the West Bank. An Israeli occupation would only create a never ending guerrilla war and insurgency.
The system of open air incarceration has to end for both people to live side by side or it will be continued chaos and terrorism on both sides. The Israelis are already committing acts of terrorism in the West Bank as the drive residents out of their villages and bulldoze their homes.

Netanyahu is a criminal who has prosecuted this war in the worst way in an effort to keep his corrupt ass out of prison.


Polls show that most Israelis do not want to resettle the Gaza Strip. But Netanyahu and his coalition are uniquely beholden to the radical minority that does. Back in January, 15 of the coalitions 64 members of Parliament attended a Jerusalem conference in support of Gaza resettlement. The parties that make up Netanyahus government received just 48.4 percent of the vote in Israels most recent election in November 2022. Without the far right, not only would the Israeli leaders coalition collapse, but he would lack sufficient allies to form one in the future after another election. Alienating the extremists wouldnt just finish Netanyahus government, it could end his political career.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2024/05/israel-defense-netanyahu-gaza-gallant/678391/

[FlyingVProd]

Bambu, watch the videos on You Tube about how the homeless people are living in Hong Kong, it is horrible, and they are trapped, there is no ladder there for them to climb, they are stuck being poor and homeless with no future. So, here is the answer, they can go to El Salvador, and El Salvador said they will give everyone free citizenship, so the homeless people from Hong Kong can become citizens in El Salvador. The people from Hong Kong can join the Catholic Church, everyone in El Salvador is Catholic, and they can teach them how to speak Spanish, etc. Here in Anaheim some of the Mexican churches are teaching the North Koreans how to speak Spanish to adapt here, they teach them Spanish first, and then English. Anyhow, El Salvador can save the homeless people from Hong Kong and they can get free citizenship.

The people from Taiwan, and from China, can also get free citizenship in El Salvador, etc.

And tell Australia to expand trade with El Salvador.

Salute,

Tony V.

[facilitatorn]

It is gratifying that a place kicker for the World Champion Kansas City Chiefs delivered a commencement address praising his Catholic values and his wife for assuming the difficult role of homemaker.
His advice to graduates to fall in love, get married, and raise a family was much needed for a a culture seemingly lost in perspective.

Even more encouraging his KC Jersey is a hot seller rivaling those of Patrick Mahommes and  his speech was praised by Whoopee Goldberg.

Here is to the wit and wisdom of trifling adult children with TBI. They sound just like dusty old farts with no remaining memories of the days they harken back to.

If you listen more to Whoopee and live by what she says, it will improve your life immeasurably. You would benefit almost as much as you would by never again watching the Fox fascist entertainment network and never ever picking up the NY Post even in digital form.

[bambu.]

November 29, 1947: The UN General Assembly passes UN Resolution 181, which calls for the partition of Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state.

November 30, 1947: Palestinian Arabs ambush a bus carrying Jewish passengers near Lod (Lydda), an attack often cited as the start of the civil war in Palestine.

December 2, 1947: The Arab Higher Committee, the leading organizer of the Palestinian Arab nationalist movement in Jerusalem, announces a three-day strike against the partition plan. Riots break out in the city, and violence between Arabs and Jews escalates.

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Well there you go.
Simple really.
If only...
Oh well, they didn't, so the wars began.

[facilitatorn]

No. There you go, taking bigoted stupidity to a level that is truly repulsive.

You curdle milk and cause birds to fall stone dead from the air.

[Hairy Lime]

Wouldn't a "Palestinian state...run and secured by Israel" actually be Israel?

Not necessarily.
Think of it as 'overseen', 'inspected'.

Which is quite sensibly the last thing Israel wants. Unless they want to paint huge concentric red circles on the backs of the overseers and inspectors.

Well a two state solution is what the US, the UN, and most everyone else are in favour of.
The pro-Palestine protesters worldwide seem to hate the Jews/Israel and want them gone, with a new state of Palestine being "from the river to the sea". They are demanding it all.

You are arguing that Israel should create an Israel "from the river to the sea".

That's one solution, with the Palestinians relocated to Muslim Arab nations.

So your only problem with "From the river to the sea" is who is chanting it. Good to know there are some genocides you support.

Problem with that idea is that no Muslim Arab nation seems to want them.

If the US abandons Israel because it won't accept redrawn boundaries in a two state solution, from where will Israel then get its weapons for self defence?
There was a two state solution in 1948, but the Palestinians never accepted that, so they probably won't accept it today.

Your ignorance of history is boundless. Something like 750,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes in 1948. Why would, or should, they accept a solution that normalized and approved that? Would Australia? Would anyone?

Looks like the perpetual war continues...no solutions possible.

Not if you take subjugation of Palestinians as a starting point.

Relocating Palestinians to other Muslim Arab nations would not be genocide.

No other Arab Nation would take them unless Hamas is wiped off the earth.

What makes you think the Palestinians would accept the mass deportation from their homeland?

Because they want to live.

So you support genocide - or at least the threat of it - for Palestinians?

They are already pissed about the part they were expelled from in 1948.

the Arab world of 2024 is 75 years removed from the 1948 decisision. Times have changed even if you have not noticed.

75 years is nothing. Ask the Irish. Or my wife's people. Or any  action with a history of colonialism. And the world for the Palestinians in Gaza has not changed. They are reminded daily.

 The only reason to think that deporting Palestinians is a "solution" is if you do not think they matter as human beings at all.

They only matter if they reject Hamas.
[/quote]Yeah, or the PLO. Or Hezbollah. Or the Palestinian Authority. Or anyone who they see as fighting for them.

[Hairy Lime]

Greenland is a nice place to celebrate Passover and Chanukah, kibbutz ready and close to North American and European markets.

Or Sitka. I really wish the Coens had gone through with making that movie.

[Hairy Lime]

Going back in time to strangle Gavrillo Princip in his crib. Which is more workable than yours.

A laughable redirection of the argument.

Only if you want to ignore history and the historical context of what is happening in Israel and Palestine. Which is convenient for you.

[Hairy Lime]

November 29, 1947: The UN General Assembly passes UN Resolution 181, which calls for the partition of Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state.

November 30, 1947: Palestinian Arabs ambush a bus carrying Jewish passengers near Lod (Lydda), an attack often cited as the start of the civil war in Palestine.

December 2, 1947: The Arab Higher Committee, the leading organizer of the Palestinian Arab nationalist movement in Jerusalem, announces a three-day strike against the partition plan. Riots break out in the city, and violence between Arabs and Jews escalates.

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Well there you go.
Simple really.
If only...
Oh well, they didn't, so the wars began.

If only what? They had agreed to having the UN take their and and divide it up in clear violation of the UN"s stated principle of self-determination and which dispossessed their people of their lands and homes? Palestinians were 60% of the population and owned 90% of the land, and were being forced from half of it. Of COURSE they fucking objected. So would you. And despite the 76 years sine the partition, you would still be pissed about it to this day.

And about Israel's acceptance of the mandate?

"I see in the realization of this plan practically the decisive stage in the beginning of fl redemption and the most wonderful lever for the gradual conquest of all of Palestine.

- David Ben Gurion.

That was in reference to an earlier plan of partition (from the League of Nations, in a Resolution that referred to the 90% of the population of Palestine as the "existing non-Jewish population" which shows that disregarding the humanity of Palestinians did not begin with bigots and haters like you) but the Palestinians fully knew that Zionist leadership wanted a Jewish state that encompassed all of Palestine, "from the river to the sea" as some would phrase it.

[jmmengel]

Going back in time to strangle Gavrillo Princip in his crib. Which is more workable than yours.

A laughable redirection of the argument.

Only if you want to ignore history and the historical context of what is happening in Israel and Palestine. Which is convenient for you.

Hardly. Your selective use of historical facts cannot make the Arabs the good guys, if you will.
The partition of Palestine was a political decision by world leaders after World War Two.
The Arabs have bitterly disagreed but by choosing violence to protest have made Israel into a world power out of its  need to survive.
Now as more Arab nations seek more peaceful solutions comes Hamas, with no allies, save Iran.
Their tactics have guaranteed the deaths of its own citizens, many of which are deliberately used as targets  so as to engender world sympathy.
Hamas is evil. Arabs shun it. Israel, as it has done for 75 years, will  do what it needs to survive.

[facilitatorn]

Israel, as it has done for 75 years, will  do what it needs to survive.

The first step to Israeli survival is dumping Bibi. The second step is abandoning settlements. The third step is making amends to the people of Palestine.

[Hairy Lime]

Going back in time to strangle Gavrillo Princip in his crib. Which is more workable than yours.

A laughable redirection of the argument.

Only if you want to ignore history and the historical context of what is happening in Israel and Palestine. Which is convenient for you.

Hardly. Your selective use of historical facts cannot make the Arabs the good guys, if you will.
The partition of Palestine was a political decision by world leaders after World War Two.
The Arabs have bitterly disagreed but by choosing violence to protest have made Israel into a world power out of its  need to survive.
Now as more Arab nations seek more peaceful solutions comes Hamas, with no allies, save Iran.
Their tactics have guaranteed the deaths of its own citizens, many of which are deliberately used as targets  so as to engender world sympathy.
Hamas is evil. Arabs shun it. Israel, as it has done for 75 years, will  do what it needs to survive.

I am not arguing anyone is a good guy. Not after 76 years of eye for eye. I am saying the UN ignoring the right to self-determination for the Palestinians has created an untenable situation.  And Israelis are about as far from blameless as the Palestinians are.

And my sympathies are with the Palestinians, not Hamas. I just do not think that removing them from the playing field would result in a just solution,  but rather one where the just grievances of the Palestinians continue to be ignored. Those grievances will rise again, and violently, if they continue to be ignored. If people are not heard in a political way, they find another way. It is what happens to a dream deferred.