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« Reply #2580 on: November 13, 2007, 11:28:17 AM »

Can this (from IMDB) be right ??

"The stalker flick P2 opened in 1,032 theaters with $2.2 million. Making an impressive debut in just 28 theaters, the Coen Bros.' No Country for Old Men earned $1.2 million or $42,900 per theater. That compares with $6,600 per theater for Bee Movie."

If that's true, then how do you justify a "select cities only" release with a "nationwide" release 2 weeks later?   It seems like, if you'd just released the movie nationwide on November 9, you might have beaten "Bee Movie" and "American Gangster". 

I could be 100% wrong on that, I don't know - maybe the limited release "$-per-theater" success proves the staggered release was a good idea.  It seems to me that it proves the staggered release was a big mistake, but I could be wrong.

Does anybody know (or has anybody read) anything about the thought-process of when to give a movie a staggered release?  Is it simply, "Well, this movie is kind of artsy or whatever, so let's open in select cities a few weeks before opening nationwide," or is there more to it than that? 

I know the motivation is, as it always is, "Because we can make more money that way," but in this case, I'm not sure that the desired result will be achieved.  I'm interested in the theory behind the "a staggered release of this movie will result in more money" strategy.
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« Reply #2581 on: November 13, 2007, 11:30:39 AM »

Saw that Dan in Real Life movie last night.  It wasn't as funny as I would have expected given that both Steve Carrell and Dane Cook were in it but I thought it was a pretty good movie overall
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« Reply #2582 on: November 13, 2007, 11:32:49 AM »

I was plumb mystified by the ltd. release of NCfOM. 



Any horror fans seen "Vacancy" ?  Seems to be another hotel room chiller which for some reason is in my queue.   Kate Beckinsale?  Could be.  



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« Reply #2583 on: November 13, 2007, 11:33:21 AM »

November 15, 2007, 7:00 PM

THE WESTERN IN MYTH AND METAPHOR

Panel discussion: Piotr Uklanski, Katarzyna Figura, Chrissie Iles, and Jim Hoberman contextualize Uklanski's Summer Love within the classic American film genre of the Western

Whitney Museum of American Art, New York, NY

ART / FILM


You have to use the link to the www.PolishCulture-NYC.org
to get the comparison.

Dzimas will probably comprehend better than I could get-- how they work it out when the Polish want to do their own homage to Clint Eastwood.

(signed Art School girl of doom)  I recognized my identity immediately. After all, I wore all Black, back in the 1950s, for convenience. Out of the turtleneck sweater, out of the black velvet pants and into one of those Kiki of Montparnasse dressing gowns for a day of modeling. I recall even having a Polish pseudonym as that was fashionable. The impressionable mind of an art student or instructor, or even a professional artist has to be put into the total aesthetic ambiance.
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« Reply #2584 on: November 13, 2007, 11:37:08 AM »

Any horror fans seen "Vacancy" ?  Seems to be another hotel room chiller which for some reason is in my queue.   Kate Beckinsale?  Could be.  

I saw it - I liked the opening credits music and end credits music a lot.  I liked some other things about it, but I had a problem/question with the story.  Watch it and report back as soon as it's done, so I can post a spoiler-warning post and post my problem/question, for which there may very well be an answer, I don't know.
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« Reply #2585 on: November 13, 2007, 11:54:15 AM »

Does anyone have an answer to a movie that Angelina Jolie is making with Common,McAvoy, and Morgan Freeman (for that godlike Superior Intelligence which is necessary in this kind of flic)?  It is fantasy-science-fiction genre and the name got away from me when I put the article on hold while sending a recipe to my niece in Santa Monica.

First thought in my mind, was Marianne Pearl the role that became Jolie's
cross-over movie? Thandie Newton was really dragged when that was given to Angelina Jolie.
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« Reply #2586 on: November 13, 2007, 12:50:14 PM »

Saw that Dan in Real Life movie last night.  It wasn't as funny as I would have expected given that both Steve Carrell and Dane Cook were in it but I thought it was a pretty good movie overall


Yeah, it was kind of a chick flick.


Carrell's at his best when he's able to improvise more.
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« Reply #2587 on: November 13, 2007, 01:50:39 PM »

Other people are asking wasn't this a real mistake on the part of Juliette Binoche (Dan in Real Life); their guess being that she can have a US career (as opposed to what, a French career?) and I think they have got to be kidding themselves.

Movies are internationally made and it has been several years by now since the French got really pissed at the infliction of American dominance of values in the entertainment industry exported to France since Americans discount that France has different cultural values. I'd say that when we crossed the line that permitted Bush to take a 2000 election, the eventual consequence was the Bush program supporting a Sarkozy take over to win the French election for his presidency as well, which has now cost the French their system of collective values in education beginning with the "creche" system as a public benefit to working mothers. France has had a higher educational system than is prevalent in the States; and the Bush program is not just to keep it that way here in the US but reduce your ability to think back!

A radical right Republican gov't can not abide the existence of what is deemed a Socialist gov't. The example by very existence might tempt you to put these self-interested upper middlings in the hoosegow.

So, this is another "maybe interesting picture or maybe not" that will eventually come to tv where I will see it and figure out if it was some defining break on how values between the sexes were newly evaluated.

I'm a fan of the old Binoche before they cut bangs to make her hair style give her the apparent youthful treatment.

Reminds me, wow, I found the best photo of Jeanne Moreau yesterday, from a cul de sac off the Avenue Visconti.

May post later. Depends.
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« Reply #2588 on: November 13, 2007, 04:29:30 PM »

"Does anybody know (or has anybody read) anything about the thought-process of when to give a movie a staggered release?"

I think the idea is to engender some advertising by word of mouth rather than having to pay for it, and to advertise in major markets rather than everywhere when the subject matter isn't something easy to understand for most people.  "Rather" than purchase "buzz" by ads, you create it by the "slowly roller" process because you have a great movie on your hands that will invariably get nominated for an Oscar, meaning that the pre-Oscar re-release will be another case of free pub.  Why pay for it when you don't have to, while it may have done well wide against AG, I agree with their strategy.

Compare it with the release of "Lions for Lambs," the only adult alternative in the theater other than P2 as, you would think, AG is on the wane.  But because somebody at the studio knew the movie was trite and average at best, the big release is the only way to recoup costs, other than scuttling it straight to video, and when Cruise/Wagner are the studio chiefs of the new United Artists (headed for bankruptcy again), that's not going to happen, but at least someone knew that a slow roll was a bad idea for LFL because it would be exposed before it hit major markets as average.  On the other hand, sometimes review-proof films are never shown to critics at all when they are known to be bad and the ad push is there.  If you think you're going to get an Oscar, then the slow roll is the way to go.  I can't remember the release strategy for "Unforgiven," but I think that it only made big money post-Oscar nod, and didn't make a huge initial impression, but I'm not sure.
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« Reply #2589 on: November 13, 2007, 06:59:39 PM »

Oh, yeah, and P2 was in more than 2K theaters and had a worse by 4/10ths per screen average than LFL, it's the only horror movie that I've every heard of failing that badly in recent memory even if it's only Wes Bentley, but the trailers looked good and generated positive reviews, so anyway.  Cruise who is reported to "not be happy" about LFL, has other people spinning the picture a different way.  They say that it cost $35M to make, but that's with Cruise and Streep forgoing their usual fees, Redford doing free acting if not direction, and that number sounds pretty low to me.  I think it's an ohfuckandcover number.  Lets say it's a good number for production costs alone and all the principals took the back end since they are all rich, even so, the distributor or UA or both took a bath on the essentially zero return on marketing dollar, add that you are not even adding in supposed star wattage, and what is the opportunity cost of Tom Cruise doing almost anything else??  They are a solid $100M into the picture and don't want to admit that the ad time recouped about six cents on the dollar.  $6M doesn't pay the light bill, and that is what gets you yanked after three weeks and clamoring for NCFOM.

What does the LFL perf do for the presidential assassination one with Dennis Quaid as a Secret Service agent?  I would think sidelines, I mean, if people really didn't like the Tom Cruise one or horror one, but Denzel and Crowe are rocking, you might want to re-cut the trailer with an hispanic hip-hop soundtrack and make it look more thugged somehow.  The ads are too complicated for that one, it should be all about Quaid, going "NOOOOOOOOO" and gunshot sounds, lots of slow motion, and Death Row soundtrack.
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« Reply #2590 on: November 13, 2007, 08:08:25 PM »

"Rather" than purchase "buzz" by ads, you create it by the "slowly roller" process because you have a great movie on your hands that will invariably get nominated for an Oscar, meaning that the pre-Oscar re-release will be another case of free pub.  Why pay for it when you don't have to, while it may have done well wide against AG, I agree with their strategy.

So you're saying that, when they saw the per-screen numbers for the limited release, they weren't saying "Awwwwfuck, we should have just gone wide with it from the get-go" or whatever? 

Not that it matters for me - I'll end up collecting more ticket stubs for NCFOM than I collected for "Derailed", no matter when the release date in my town - but I'm just wondering what it would have done had it gone wide from the get-go, and I'm wondering if that number will be more than what will result from the slow roll.  It's one of those, well, I guess they know what they're doing, but still, I wonder, etc. 
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« Reply #2591 on: November 13, 2007, 09:25:36 PM »

I'm saying that they know they are going to make money now for sure, rather than an "Awwwwfuckkkk..." that could've occurred if they had gone wide with a cow-stun western noir.....why throw good money after a good movie when you can recoup by throwing no money at an assured "buzz" that they could tell would result when you have an Oscar nominee, you may be right, but they can't be wrong.
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« Reply #2592 on: November 13, 2007, 11:04:19 PM »

All I can offer up is Fred Claus


and my only excuse is that I have a five year old.


But it wasn't as bad as the reviews. 

There is one scene in particular that I liked  -- spoiler  Vince Vaugn is in group therapy with angry siblings of famous people and they are all the actual siblings.     Pretty funny dialogue here and in a few other places
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« Reply #2593 on: November 14, 2007, 12:00:54 AM »

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I don't refute your argument because I'm a liberal, which I am, but because I always think that the Hollywood arguments only prop up Hollywood as being important, and can't stand people who fault Sean Penn for traveling, you know, the freedom to say what you want and move around, that's constitutionally protected, as long as you aren't purporting to act on behalf of your government, give aid, money, or even advice to a named combatant, that would be treason, like say, releasing the name of a covert CIA operative and possibly blowing the cover of her assets and getting them killed in the field.

You're right and I felt quite sheepish when I found out more about the Redford movie, which isn't quite what I thought it from the way I perceived it at first, and when I talked to a friend who advised patience, that there are still places very unlike the geographical landscapes and political mindscapes "where dwelleth thee and me."   
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« Reply #2594 on: November 14, 2007, 05:09:56 AM »

In otherwords, are you saying, it was a handy  "just slightly right wing" propaganda film to convince the foreign audience we are the good guys of the universe?
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