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Question: Who will at least try to use nukes in the next 3.5 years?  (Voting closed: August 17, 2017, 01:04:56 AM)
North Korea (NK) - 0 (0%)
United States (US) - 0 (0%)
NK & US - 1 (12.5%)
Nobody - 6 (75%)
NK, US, and one or more others - 1 (12.5%)
One or more others, but not the US or NK - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 8

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« Reply #11325 on: August 12, 2017, 08:32:37 PM »

Hell, someone even opened a museum where for your hard earned dollar you can see a model of Jesus riding on a dinosaur.

But not a municipality in a public park.

The good people of Charlottesville have been petitioning to have the stupid thing taken down for a while now.

Bambu, go see if one of your immigrant neighbors will sell you some better values second hand so you can better approximate a human being. Thanks
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« Reply #11326 on: August 12, 2017, 09:28:09 PM »

Anybody who would like to erect a statue to Robert E. Lee on their own private land is free to do so. Why should public lands and taxpayer dollars be used to memorialize somebody who took up arms against his own country?
Weren't those statues paid for and erected with public approval?
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« Reply #11327 on: August 12, 2017, 09:32:11 PM »

Anybody who would like to erect a statue to Robert E. Lee on their own private land is free to do so. Why should public lands and taxpayer dollars be used to memorialize somebody who took up arms against his own country?
Weren't those statues paid for and erected with public approval?
Yep. And?
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« Reply #11328 on: August 12, 2017, 09:34:03 PM »

Anybody who would like to erect a statue to Robert E. Lee on their own private land is free to do so. Why should public lands and taxpayer dollars be used to memorialize somebody who took up arms against his own country?
Weren't those statues paid for and erected with public approval?
Yep. And?
I guess that answers your question.
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« Reply #11329 on: August 12, 2017, 09:40:17 PM »

And the latest vote answered my question as well
Exactly.
Although " free speech " permits groups, however distasteful, the right to state their opinions. 
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« Reply #11330 on: August 12, 2017, 09:44:12 PM »

Right.
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« Reply #11331 on: August 12, 2017, 10:18:06 PM »

If we can stop a missile from hitting Israel, then certainly we can protect Guam, and California, etc. We have a lot of options.

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« Reply #11332 on: August 12, 2017, 10:29:21 PM »

And I am for fairness and equality for all people. I do not support the KKK, and I do not support the Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam. America is about everyone being created equal with inalienable rights.

The events today in Virginia are tragic examples of how bad hate is.

And I seem to recall that Rudy Giuliani was able to block the Nation of Islam from marching in Bensonhurst by declaring the Nation of Islam a hate group. Hate groups are not allowed to march in New York City, from what I recall, and that is a good policy. I support freedom of speech, but I do not support violent hate groups.

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« Reply #11333 on: August 12, 2017, 10:35:42 PM »

Anybody who would like to erect a statue to Robert E. Lee on their own private land is free to do so. Why should public lands and taxpayer dollars be used to memorialize somebody who took up arms against his own country?
Weren't those statues paid for and erected with public approval?

The removal of which shows an aversion to inclusion.

They were just southerners, families of some of the first settlers of our nation.

Could be the statues remain.  We'll see.
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« Reply #11334 on: August 12, 2017, 10:38:40 PM »

"Inclusion"? You mean those folks who voted to have the statue erected were inclusion advocates? In Jim Crow Virginia?
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« Reply #11335 on: August 12, 2017, 10:51:14 PM »

I have a friend who played guitar for a band named "Suicidal Tendencies," and they were banned from playing in Los Angeles, for like four years they were banned. Why can they ban a band, but not a hate group?

I think they should be able to ban hate groups from marching.

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« Reply #11336 on: August 12, 2017, 10:59:56 PM »

Have a nice day.

Your eloquence speaks volumes.

So does Laughing Boy's.

And Bambu's.
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« Reply #11337 on: August 12, 2017, 11:03:53 PM »

The only person who thought that China was our friend in this affair was Trump, Bambu.

But China's position is the only rational one for them to take - if Trump acts first, they try to stop things. If NK acts first, they try to control things.

YOU want China to work against NK, even if Trump acts first. Your definition of friend is "my side, right or wrong," and that's badly broken.

Doesn't make them our friend whether they did that or not - we're just lucky the Chinese are not egging Trump on to make the US look (even more) dangerous to the world!

www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40909468
China calls for the two sides to stop acting like spoiled children. How is that unreasonable?

Spoilt children?
What, like China's throwing tantrums in the South China Sea?

It's unreasonable for China to say it will stay neutral if NK bombs/nukes Guam/US, but take NK's side if the US bombs NK.

Given that's not what they said...
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« Reply #11338 on: August 12, 2017, 11:13:21 PM »


The removal of which shows an aversion to inclusion.

They were just southerners, families of some of the first settlers of our nation.

"just southerners"

No, they were slave owners and supporters of slavery.

Yes, it shows an aversion to inclusion of those who tried to enforce a policy that the African-Americans (Blacks, Negros, what have you) were less than fully human.

A position you seem to support.
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« Reply #11339 on: August 12, 2017, 11:17:28 PM »

Love of State over love of country.

But did MUCH for the nation nevertheless.

Yeah. So did Aaron Burr and Benedict Arnold.
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