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American History
« on: July 30, 2018, 12:13:11 PM »

Share your thoughts on your favorite books of American history.
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Re: American History
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2018, 04:35:35 PM »

On the issue of California, and on the Sanctuary State issue, it is a long standing American tradition to stand up and do CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE against things that we are against, we did it against England to throw off the rule of the British, and we did it on other issues, such as when people violated the law when the law required them to report runaway slaves, many helped the slaves and refused to report them, etc. Henry David Thoreau wrote about CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE and many people such as Gandhi and others practiced CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE and Gandhi was able to win independence for India without firing a single shot. Another case of CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE was when Lech Walesa helped to win independence for Poland and helped to bring down the USSR and helped to bring down the Berlin Wall, and helped to bring freedom, democracy, and improved human rights to hundreds of millions of people, without firing a single shot. Another case was when Martin Luther King Jr peacefully fought for improved human rights for African Americans, and when Rosa Parks used Civil Disobedience when she refused to sit at the back of the bus. There are many examples of people who stood up for what they believed in, even if what they believed in was against the law. There was also the case of people who defied Hitler and helped to save Jews, even though it was against the law. It is up to us to stand up against laws that are un-American, and that go against what we stand for. And we must change laws that do not represent what we stand for. It is up to us to stop the wall, and to stand up for our good immigrants, and to do CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE against things that we do not agree with, and to demand a GOOD NEIGHBOR policy with our good Christian neighbors here in the Western Hemisphere, Canada and Mexico, and we must demand that Canadians and Mexicans be able to legally live, work, and go to school, in the USA, and we must have a special path to citizenship for them, and we must stand up for all good immigrants like Reagan did when he made all of our immigrants legal and brought them out of the shadows so that they could legally work in the USA and join unions, etc. We need to be defiant of what we do not agree with, and we must stand up and demand what we do agree with, and California is behaving in a strong American tradition when California declares California to be a Sanctuary State and when we go against what we are against.

Link about Thoreau and Civil Disobedience...

https://tinyurl.com/Thoreau-Civil0Disobedience

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Re: American History
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2019, 05:29:59 PM »

A few people who did a lot for the labor movement in the USA were Eugene V. Debs, Jimmy Hoffa, and Cesar Chavez.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Chavez 

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Re: American History
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Re: American History
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2019, 06:51:07 PM »

Some of the people who helped to build America...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_family

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanderbilt_family

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford

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How did you choose the ones you chose?

Ford was an anti-semite.

I just picked out a few who were interesting.

Henry Ford apologized to the Jews, and the Jews warmly accepted his apology. And the Jews were always a part of Detroit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Metro_Detroit

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Re: American History
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2019, 12:06:10 PM »

Some of the people who helped to build America...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_family

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanderbilt_family

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford

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How did you choose the ones you chose?

Ford was an anti-semite.

I just picked out a few who were interesting.

Henry Ford apologized to the Jews, and the Jews warmly accepted his apology. And the Jews were always a part of Detroit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Metro_Detroit

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Ford's so-called apology was neither authored by Ford nor truly an apology - he claimed to bear no responsibility for what had been written, blaming it all on others who worked for him.

Except he didn't either write it or sign it. Nor did he mean a word of it.

Did people welcome it? Yes, at the time. But when the real author died, a couple years later, Ford resumed his attacks and his circulation of the awful pamphlets.

I think you need to look more deeply at this issue, Tony.

https://history.hanover.edu/hhr/99/hhr99_2.html
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Eventually, Ford publicly apologized for the articles in light of a legal suit. However; he continued to express his anti-Semitic beliefs in his private circles. In the 1930's, he hired many fascist sympathizers, accepted an award from Hitler; and engaged in business ventures in Nazi Germany. In the 1940's, the Ford Motor Company was transformed into a more tolerant organization through the efforts of Ford's son and grandson. However; Ford himself never abandoned his deep-rooted anti-Semitism. His anti-Semitic literature can still be found in great abundance, more than fifty years after his death. While Ford is considered to be a great man by many Americans, he spawned an ugly legacy of hatred and bigotry that still has ramifications today.

A bit more about the apology itself:
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The letter was written in reaction to a libel charge brought against Ford by Aaron Sapiro, a California attorney who was personally named and attacked in one of the Independent articles. Sapiro's suit was one of many filed against Ford as a result of these articles, but his was the only one to go to court.

The Sapiro trial garnered much publicity ("THE JEWS TRY FORD!" one headline proclaimed), but the suit ended in a mistrial on accusations of jury tampering. Besieged by negative publicity, Ford sought to end this and all other legal actions against him by issuing an apology.

What was not known at the time - and may still not be widely known today - is that the apology was written by New York attorney and American Jewish Committee president, Louis Marshall. Following the mistrial, Marshall was contacted by Ford's representatives and asked if he would write an apology that would go out under Ford's name. Marshall agreed and drafted a text that Ford accepted without change. Ford then had one of his assistants sign the letter on his behalf and released it to the public.

The results of Ford's apology were mixed. Many who felt slandered by the Independent articles were relieved and perhaps vindicated by this statement. Many, however, doubted Ford's sincerity - particularly when the articles reappeared and continued to be distributed following Marshall's death in 1929. Some also saw the apology as nothing more than a shield that allowed Ford to deflect blame to his subordinates while avoiding further legal consequences.The letter was written in reaction to a libel charge brought against Ford by Aaron Sapiro, a California attorney who was personally named and attacked in one of the Independent articles. Sapiro's suit was one of many filed against Ford as a result of these articles, but his was the only one to go to court.

The Sapiro trial garnered much publicity ("THE JEWS TRY FORD!" one headline proclaimed), but the suit ended in a mistrial on accusations of jury tampering. Besieged by negative publicity, Ford sought to end this and all other legal actions against him by issuing an apology.

What was not known at the time - and may still not be widely known today - is that the apology was written by New York attorney and American Jewish Committee president, Louis Marshall. Following the mistrial, Marshall was contacted by Ford's representatives and asked if he would write an apology that would go out under Ford's name. Marshall agreed and drafted a text that Ford accepted without change. Ford then had one of his assistants sign the letter on his behalf and released it to the public.

The results of Ford's apology were mixed. Many who felt slandered by the Independent articles were relieved and perhaps vindicated by this statement. Many, however, doubted Ford's sincerity - particularly when the articles reappeared and continued to be distributed following Marshall's death in 1929. Some also saw the apology as nothing more than a shield that allowed Ford to deflect blame to his subordinates while avoiding further legal consequences.
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