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Re: American History
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2022, 07:47:08 PM »

Antietam Creek then.  Spouse and I just watched the Ken Burns docu a few weeks ago.  Only took us 30 years to get around to it.

Are you sure you didn't mean it felt like 30 years watching it?
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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2022, 12:14:53 PM »

It is a bridge over troubled waters. And in September 1862, very troubled waters.

You are, of course, correct.
Toured that battlefield four times back when I lived east of the Rockies.
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Well, it made me sick to see it; and I was sorry for them poor pitiful rascals, it seemed like I couldn't ever feel any hardness against them any more in the world. It was a dreadful thing to see. Human beings CAN be awful cruel to one another.

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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2022, 05:15:54 PM »

Antietam Creek then.  Spouse and I just watched the Ken Burns docu a few weeks ago.  Only took us 30 years to get around to it.

Are you sure you didn't mean it felt like 30 years watching it?

Har!  The spouse is more a documentary fan than I am.  There's a point with battle descriptions where they begin to all run together.  Up or down a ridge, taking heavy fire.  With still photos of heavily bearded men their stern faces lined with duty and burdensome care and some unthinkable inner pain inflicted in the mess tent.   But seriously, it was probably one of the better documentaries in conveying the horrible toll and senseless destruction of war.  And the theme "Ashokan Farewell" is now burned into my brain for the rest of my life. 
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Re: American History
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2022, 10:07:05 PM »

It is a bridge over troubled waters. And in September 1862, very troubled waters.

You are, of course, correct.
Toured that battlefield four times back when I lived east of the Rockies.

Been there a few times myself, and hope to return at least a few more.  It's always beautiful. 
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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2022, 04:39:37 PM »

Antietam Creek then.  Spouse and I just watched the Ken Burns docu a few weeks ago.  Only took us 30 years to get around to it.

Are you sure you didn't mean it felt like 30 years watching it?

Har!  The spouse is more a documentary fan than I am.  There's a point with battle descriptions where they begin to all run together.  Up or down a ridge, taking heavy fire.  With still photos of heavily bearded men their stern faces lined with duty and burdensome care and some unthinkable inner pain inflicted in the mess tent.   But seriously, it was probably one of the better documentaries in conveying the horrible toll and senseless destruction of war.  And the theme "Ashokan Farewell" is now burned into my brain for the rest of my life.

I love a good doc, but Ken Burns can just beat a topic to death -- my short attention span helping to form that opinion, though I often watch CSPAN-2 and -3 for hours, so go figure. Also, my sympathy for the Ashokan Farewell earworm; happens all the time. 

Throwing out another pic just because.


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« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2022, 07:03:42 PM »

On August 3, 1919, several days of racial violence targeting Black communities in Chicago, Illinois, came to an end after intervention by the state militia. After five days of gunfire, beatings, and burnings, 15 white people and 23 African Americans had been killed, 537 people injured, and 1,000 African American families were left homeless.

During the Great Migration, Chicago was a popular destination for many Black migrants leaving the South in search of economic opportunity and a refuge from racial terror lynching. From 1910 to 1920, the city's Black population swelled from 44,000 to 109,000 people. The new arrivals joined thousands of white immigrants also relocating to Chicago in search of work. Many Black newcomers settled on Chicago's south side, in neighborhoods adjacent to communities of European immigrants, close to plentiful industrial jobs. But racism was not completely behind them.

Although African American migrants had fled the Southern brand of racial violence, once in Chicago they still faced racial animosity and discrimination that created challenging living conditions like overcrowded housing, inequality at work, police brutality, and segregation by custom rather than law.

In the second decade of the 20th century, segregation in Chicago was not as legally-regulated as in Southern cities, but unwritten rules restricted Black people from many neighborhoods, workplaces, and "public" areas -- including beaches. On July 27, 1919, a Black youth named Eugene Williams drowned at a Chicago beach after a white man struck him with a rock for drifting to the "white" side of Lake Michigan. When police refused to arrest the man who had thrown the rock, Black witnesses protested; white mobs responded with widespread violence that lasted five days.

Over that terrifying period, white mobs attacked Black people on sight, set fire to more than 30 properties on Chicago's south side, and even attempted to attack Provident Hospital -- which served mostly Black patients. Six thousand National Guard troops were called in to quell the unrest, and many Black people left Chicago after the terrifying experience.
Though state officials announced a plan to investigate and punish all parties responsible for violence and destruction of property during the unrest, many more Black people were arrested than white. The subsequent grand jury proceedings resulted in the indictment of primarily Black defendants. Later testifying before a commission investigating the roots of the Chicago violence, the city's police chief admitted this was due to bias in his department of white officers.

"There is no doubt that a great many police officers were grossly unfair in making arrests," he said in 1922. "They shut their eyes to offenses committed by white men while they were very vigorous in getting all the colored men they could get."
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Re: American History
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2022, 10:59:16 AM »

Antietam Creek then.  Spouse and I just watched the Ken Burns docu a few weeks ago.  Only took us 30 years to get around to it.

Are you sure you didn't mean it felt like 30 years watching it?

Har!  The spouse is more a documentary fan than I am.  There's a point with battle descriptions where they begin to all run together.  Up or down a ridge, taking heavy fire.  With still photos of heavily bearded men their stern faces lined with duty and burdensome care and some unthinkable inner pain inflicted in the mess tent.   But seriously, it was probably one of the better documentaries in conveying the horrible toll and senseless destruction of war.  And the theme "Ashokan Farewell" is now burned into my brain for the rest of my life.

I love a good doc, but Ken Burns can just beat a topic to death -- my short attention span helping to form that opinion, though I often watch CSPAN-2 and -3 for hours, so go figure. Also, my sympathy for the Ashokan Farewell earworm; happens all the time. 

Throwing out another pic just because.

Whilst I agree with idea of Ken Burns tending to cause the death of a subject by blunt force trauma, the The Civil War doc was his first sustained piece and in my view was too short. But then I used to get in spirited long friendly debates with chartres on the NYT forums over the relative merits of Bruce Catton and Shelby Foote, so I was pretty much the docs target audience .
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Well, it made me sick to see it; and I was sorry for them poor pitiful rascals, it seemed like I couldn't ever feel any hardness against them any more in the world. It was a dreadful thing to see. Human beings CAN be awful cruel to one another.

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« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2022, 11:50:17 AM »

On August 3, 1919, several days of racial violence targeting Black communities in Chicago, Illinois, came to an end after intervention by the state militia.

That was a terrible period for race relations and justice - the Tulsa massacre came a couple years after this.  And law enforcement at Tulsa was even more of a sham than it had been in Chicago, IIRC. 
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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2022, 11:57:06 AM »

But then I used to get in spirited long friendly debates with chartres on the NYT forums over the relative merits of Bruce Catton and Shelby Foote, so I was pretty much the docs target audience .

Foote was a terrific interviewee in the Burns doc.  The ties, in his own life, to the Civil War, seemed to have informed his work.  His hometown was destroyed in the war.  I don't know a lot about him, as compared to other historians.  Heard he took some flack for admiring remarks about Nate-bed, but don't know if that was fair or not.

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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2022, 11:02:51 AM »

On October 14th, 1947, Chuck Yeager broke the sound barrier out at my hometown at Edwards Air Force Base...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Yeager

Then the fastest man alive was Pete Knight who was friends with my Grandmother, Pete was involved with politics up until his death.

A great movie about my hometown is "The Right Stuff" which is a great movie. And the Space Shuttles and all of the secret planes, we did it all out in the desert. Working together with Cape Canaveral, Florida, and other areas, we put men on the Moon, I went to Florida when the Space Shuttle program went from the desert to the Cape. ( I used to have a tile from the Space Shuttle, I wish I still had it, you could hold a Bic lighter to it and it never got hot. ) I was at Edwards when the first Space Shuttle landed and President Reagan was there to give a speech, it was great.

A new flight museum is being built at Edwards, I hope they build a really great museum.

Salute,

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