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« Reply #11085 on: December 07, 2017, 11:24:22 AM »

Voter Suppression. It's the Republican Way:
In order to understand democracy in the United States, take a moment to consider Alabama. In the good old heart of Dixie, the story of voting rights can be told just about from beginning to end. It was in towns and cities throughout the state where the civil-rights movement fought most fiercely for the ballot, among other things, and where 52 years ago Martin Luther King led the famous march from Selma to Montgomery that helped push through the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Throughout the state, black people organized for decades in order to finally acquire that most central American right. And they paid the price of the ticket in blood.

Yet, as Alabama’s story today tells, the Voting Rights Act was not ironclad. As the cornerstone of the movement for the franchise, Alabama has also played the part of headquarters of resistance, a long legal and legislative guerrilla war against voting rights that culminated in 2013’s Shelby County v. Holder case, one where officials in the Alabama county successfully sued for all of the former dominion of Jim Crow to be released from federal VRA oversight. That victory, and the structural barriers to voting erected in its aftermath, are a serious—and largely unacknowledged—impediment to Democrat Doug Jones’s chances in the special election for the state’s open Senate seat on Tuesday.

In that race, Republican Roy Moore is running not only against Jones, but against a mountain of allegations of sexual assault and harassment of several teenagers. According to the most recent Washington Post-Schar School poll, with renewed support from the national GOP, a presidential endorsement, and a powerful state machine behind him, Moore is keeping the race close, still only three points behind Doug Jones. A collection of other smaller polls actually show Moore pulling ahead in the last week. For Jones to win with such thin margins, he’ll need to turn out black voters. But doing so will mean confronting the state’s fraught history of voter suppression.

Part of the story of the Alabama special election is how resilient Moore has been with white voters. The Washington Post-Schar School poll shows him retaining the support of 63 percent of likely white voters in the state, including 57 percent of white women. While these numbers show that the onslaught of allegations of crimes against women have hurt him somewhat—recently, Republican presidential candidates in the state have garnered upwards of 70 percent of the white electorate—they also show that there appears to be nothing that can entirely stop the dominance of any GOP candidate with white Alabamians.

Jones’s path to victory is less complicated than before, but it still relies on the same dynamics as any Democrat in Alabama. As headline after headline attests, he’ll likely have to see decent turnout among the 26 percent of voting-age citizens who are black, and who largely live in the “black belt” of counties spanning the width of Alabama through the east and west of Montgomery.


No matter what happens in Alabama, it's the same old story.

Link:https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/can-doug-jones-get-enough-black-voters-to-win/547574/?google_editors_picks=true
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« Reply #11086 on: December 07, 2017, 11:39:17 AM »

Sean Spicer, video star:

Former White House spokesman Sean Spicer is going to be the star of a reality show the GOP was trying hard to prevent.

A federal judge in New Jersey has ordered that Spicer appear for a deposition that will be video recorded, in connection with questions over whether his Election Night presence in Trump Tower violated a 35-year-old consent decree barring the Republican National Committee from engaging in ballot security or voter suppression efforts.

While the RNC had agreed to make Spicer available for questioning, the committee wasn't keen on it being before a camera. Lawyers argued that a written transcript of his testimony was sufficient.

"The RNC is concerned about the possible use of a videotape of Mr. Spicer's testimony for non-judicial purposes," said attorney Bobby Burchfield of Washington, in a filing in Newark before U.S. District Judge John Vazquez. "For this reason, the RNC requests that the deposition be done without video."

But attorneys for the Democratic National Committee, in their own filing, said court rules provided for the recording of those being deposed...

...At issue is court-sanctioned agreement, known as a consent decree, that limited GOP activities targeting minority voters. That consent decree, which grew out of the RNC actions in New Jersey's 1981 gubernatorial election narrowly won by Thomas H. Kean, is set to expire.

But the matter ended up back in court after a story published by GQ Magazine, recounted Spicer's trip on Election Day to the fifth floor of Trump Tower, where the presidential campaign was headquartered.

At the time, Spicer was serving as communications director for the Republican National Committee and RNC staffers were specifically prohibited from the campaign war room because of concerns over the New Jersey consent decree that barred the RNC from challenging voters' eligibility at the polls.


http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/12/the_questioning_of_sean_spicer_is_a_show_the_gop_w.html
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« Reply #11087 on: December 07, 2017, 11:42:33 AM »

What, exactly, do you want from the GOP Senators that is different from the democrats advising a Franken to resign?

For starters, how about reaffirming their position after the head of their party gave Moore his full throated endorsement.

Instead its been, as you say, crickets.
The GOP Senate wants nothing to do with Moore
Trump wants him in the Senate.

Are you arguing otherwise?
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« Reply #11088 on: December 07, 2017, 11:43:50 AM »

Some are now calling for Clarence Thomas to resign, due to his Anita Hill harrassment issues.
"The past is never dead. It's not even past."-Faulkner.
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« Reply #11089 on: December 07, 2017, 11:45:20 AM »

"Today we honor Pearl Harbor Heroes. 11/7/1941. Thank you to all military for your courage and sacrifice!"--Melania Trump's tweet.

Don't you have to know that date to pass your citizenship test?

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« Reply #11090 on: December 07, 2017, 11:46:29 AM »

What, exactly, do you want from the GOP Senators that is different from the democrats advising a Franken to resign?

For starters, how about reaffirming their position after the head of their party gave Moore his full throated endorsement.

Instead its been, as you say, crickets.
The GOP wants nothing to do with Moore
Trump wants him in the Senate.

Are you arguing otherwise?
I guess you're still having trouble figuring out that Trump is the leader of the GOP.  It's a decent strategy though.  "Hey we didn't want Moore.  It's Trump!"  
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« Reply #11091 on: December 07, 2017, 11:50:04 AM »

What, exactly, do you want from the GOP Senators that is different from the democrats advising a Franken to resign?

For starters, how about reaffirming their position after the head of their party gave Moore his full throated endorsement.

Instead its been, as you say, crickets.
The GOP wants nothing to do with Moore
Trump wants him in the Senate.

Are you arguing otherwise?

Yes, on any number of points.  Starting with your ridiculous contention that Trump does not represent the GOP.  Then making the point that the RNC (do they not represent the GOP?) has resumed sending funds to Moore's campaign.

The GOP absolutely wants something to do with Moore.  They want his vote.  And are not so willing to risk losing a vote for their side that they will stand unequivocally against a credibly accused child molester.  Naturally, like you, they will do everything they can to hide it, but those are the facts.

They want the vote, but don't want the guy who would cast it?  Too bad.  You can't get it both ways.
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« Reply #11092 on: December 07, 2017, 12:01:26 PM »

We are horrified/amused by stores of "Judge" Moore being banned from malls for harassing teenage girls, and being the subject of police protection for the cheerleading squad.

But is any of that worse than Donald Trump walking in to the dressing room of a Teen USA pageant, sending the girls (some as young as 15) scurrying for cover, then bragging about it later to Howard Stern?

Does the GOP want nothing to do with Trump?
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« Reply #11093 on: December 07, 2017, 12:04:31 PM »

He should have ended with:

I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!
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« Reply #11094 on: December 07, 2017, 12:08:58 PM »

What, exactly, do you want from the GOP Senators that is different from the democrats advising a Franken to resign?

For starters, how about reaffirming their position after the head of their party gave Moore his full throated endorsement.

Instead its been, as you say, crickets.
The GOP wants nothing to do with Moore
Trump wants him in the Senate.

Are you arguing otherwise?

Yes, on any number of points.  Starting with your ridiculous contention that Trump does not represent the GOP.  
A totally made up argument by you.
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Then making the point that the RNC (do they not represent the GOP?) has resumed sending funds to Moore's campaign.
I’m sure you are working up to something. Whatever it is.
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Well, Trump and the RNC do.  The GOP Senate doesn’t.  
But keep yelling at yourself in the mirror if it makes you feel better.
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« Reply #11095 on: December 07, 2017, 12:10:04 PM »

The "black belt of counties."

Wow.
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« Reply #11096 on: December 07, 2017, 12:13:00 PM »

"Today we honor Pearl Harbor Heroes. 11/7/1941. Thank you to all military for your courage and sacrifice!"--Melania Trump's tweet.

Don't you have to know that date to pass your citizenship test?





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« Reply #11097 on: December 07, 2017, 12:15:35 PM »

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The GOP Senate doesn’t.

you are fucking delusional. They need his vote to pass the "Fucking of the America Act" which the Repubs have promised the Koch Bros. Sheldon Adelson and the other HUGE MONEY guys who will find new house boys to run their errands, if McConnell and the lackeys don't finally deliver on the promises.

Whats a little child molestation, when it means I get to shelter my fortune?

And I'm sorry I impugned the spine of a jellyfish. Compared to Red, jellyfish are stand-up organisms.
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« Reply #11098 on: December 07, 2017, 12:15:51 PM »

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/mapping-massacres?google_editors_picks=true

t the gallery in Kings Cross, the lights were turned off, and a map appeared, projected onto a large screen, showing Australia’s unmistakable outline—the continent declared by the British on their arrival to be terra nullius, land considered to belong to nobody, and thus ripe for the taking. Spread across the eastern states were dozens of yellow dots, often clustered together. Each one represented the site of a massacre of Aboriginal people.

The map’s data management still needs improvement—a consequence, in part, of limited funding, and also of Ryan’s admitted mistake in thinking she should do all the research first, before getting input from the project’s digital cartographer, Mark Brown, and digital-humanities specialist, Bill Pascoe. Even so, its power is undeniable. Ryan clicked on the yellow dot representing one of five massacres in the region of Jack Smith Lake, in eastern Victoria. On a fresh page, an aerial snapshot from ArcGIS, the geographic-information system, showed a slice of green and brown farmland and bush bordering a long, thin line of sand beside the ocean.

A small square section was shaded yellow, delineating a five-kilometre radius around the site of the killings. The exact coördinates of the massacres are not identified, Ryan explained. “For many Aboriginal communities, the preference is not to pinpoint the actual site, out of respect for what is considered a taboo site of trauma. But also because sites tend to be desecrated if identified very specifically.” Some sites are on private land, or mining properties; others are at the bottom of reservoirs, because so many of the massacres happened at campsites close to creeks.

On the left of the screen was a graph, cataloguing the details of this series of massacres carried out in 1843. Aboriginal Language Group: Brataualang. Aboriginal people killed: sixty (at each of the five sites). Colonists killed: zero. Weapons used: Double-barrelled Purdey. Attacker details: twenty horsemen, known as the “Highland Brigade,” organized by Angus McMillan. In a box titled “Narrative,” these fragments form a horrific tale. McMillan, a local settler, and his group of armed horsemen, all Scots, had, for years, been attacking Aboriginal camps with impunity. In this instance, they attacked five campsites over five days. At one camp, people jumped into the waterhole but were shot as soon as they resurfaced to breathe.

One of the survivors, a young boy who’d been shot in the eye, was captured by the Brigade and forced to lead them to other camps. “Human bones have been found at each of these sites on several occasions,” the text notes. “The rampage would fit the criteria of ‘genocidal massacre.’ ”


Aussie Massacres Mapped...
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« Reply #11099 on: December 07, 2017, 12:16:49 PM »

Well, Trump and the RNC do.  The GOP Senate doesn’t.  
But keep yelling at yourself in the mirror if it makes you feel better.


Yeah, my crazy arguments with no merit...except I note you've amended your argument from "the GOP" doesn't want Moore to "the GOP Senate."

And even that is questionable, as already noted.  Roughly half the caucus (by your own already faulty list) spoke out against him two weeks ago.  Since then, the RNC has resumed support, Trump has given a full throated endorsement, and polls have gone back to pointing to Moore's election to be a near certainty.

Yet the GOP Senate's response to this since these events has been, as I said, crickets.  They want nothing to do with Moore?  Funny how none of them (save for one who isn't up for reelection) actually say so.

Don't get it both ways, REDSTATEWARD.  But keep yelling at the posters through your computer screen saying that you can.  See how that strategy works out for the GOP in 2018.
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