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« Reply #1785 on: June 29, 2017, 08:04:00 AM »

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/stolen-generation-member-slams-controversial-lesson/news-story/393aa7902ed8364c00e53aa8a2e34e70

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"St Justin’s Catholic Primary School in Oran Park has angered the community after year four students were told by a nun that they were being taken from their parents at the request of the Prime Minister because they weren’t being looked after properly.

Distressed children weren’t told for five hours that it was only a role play about a part of Australian indigenous history, and that they would be able to go home to their families.

Some children were so frightened they reportedly burst into tears, couldn’t eat, and tried to escape at lunchtime."


Reminds me of http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/class-divided/.
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« Reply #1786 on: June 29, 2017, 09:35:18 PM »

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/stolen-generation-member-slams-controversial-lesson/news-story/393aa7902ed8364c00e53aa8a2e34e70

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"St Justin’s Catholic Primary School in Oran Park has angered the community after year four students were told by a nun that they were being taken from their parents at the request of the Prime Minister because they weren’t being looked after properly.

Distressed children weren’t told for five hours that it was only a role play about a part of Australian indigenous history, and that they would be able to go home to their families.

Some children were so frightened they reportedly burst into tears, couldn’t eat, and tried to escape at lunchtime."


Reminds me of http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/class-divided/.

Jane Eliott's piece was less invasive by far, but it would never be allowed today!
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« Reply #1787 on: July 20, 2017, 12:09:36 AM »

http://hechingerreport.org/whats-wrong-white-teachers/

An interesting column.
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« Reply #1788 on: July 21, 2017, 12:18:13 AM »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4707322/Nearly-HALF-high-school-seniors-students-2016.html
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« Reply #1789 on: July 21, 2017, 01:36:12 PM »

Grades are subjective and tell you nothing as to what a student learns,

SATs are used primarily to help determine the financial background of the candidate.

Neither grades nor SATs predict readiness or success in college.

Together, though, they make great headlines.
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« Reply #1790 on: July 21, 2017, 08:33:53 PM »

Grades are subjective and tell you nothing as to what a student learns,

SATs are used primarily to help determine the financial background of the candidate.

Neither grades nor SATs predict readiness or success in college.

Together, though, they make great headlines.

Grades are, if possible, even more subjective than they used to be.

SATs are not used to determine candidates' familial wealth, though they are a strong indicator.

Grades used to be a decent predictor of college grades (which is very distinct from college success), but not so much beyond college.

SATs can be a powerful assessment tool (a) when one is looking at SES, too, and (b) when used as an out-of-level test to get a sense of aptitude, unlike when it is used for seniors.
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« Reply #1791 on: July 21, 2017, 09:55:15 PM »

Grades are subjective and tell you nothing as to what a student learns,

SATs are used primarily to help determine the financial background of the candidate.

Neither grades nor SATs predict readiness or success in college.

Together, though, they make great headlines.

Grades are, if possible, even more subjective than they used to be.

SATs are not used to determine candidates' familial wealth, though they are a strong indicator.

Grades used to be a decent predictor of college grades (which is very distinct from college success), but not so much beyond college.

SATs can be a powerful assessment tool (a) when one is looking at SES, too, and (b) when used as an out-of-level test to get a sense of aptitude, unlike when it is used for seniors.

Bullshit on the SATs. We know that college admissions is strictly a business. Don't be naive.

https://twitter.com/alfiekohn/status/252036781858492416
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« Reply #1792 on: July 21, 2017, 10:10:27 PM »

Grades are subjective and tell you nothing as to what a student learns,

SATs are used primarily to help determine the financial background of the candidate.

Neither grades nor SATs predict readiness or success in college.

Together, though, they make great headlines.

Grades are, if possible, even more subjective than they used to be.

SATs are not used to determine candidates' familial wealth, though they are a strong indicator.

Grades used to be a decent predictor of college grades (which is very distinct from college success), but not so much beyond college.

SATs can be a powerful assessment tool (a) when one is looking at SES, too, and (b) when used as an out-of-level test to get a sense of aptitude, unlike when it is used for seniors.

Bullshit on the SATs. We know that college admissions is strictly a business. Don't be naive.

https://twitter.com/alfiekohn/status/252036781858492416

Used to be a big Alfie Kohn fan. Still agree with soooo much of what he has to say.
 
But you (and he) are wrong about the SAT, given the particulars I gave. Pulling out the scores by SES gives you relative performance for each income level. And the bell curves generated by the 7th graders on either ACT or SAT provide a ton of data.
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« Reply #1793 on: July 21, 2017, 10:18:30 PM »

I use to correspond regularly with Alfie. Met him. Right guy born in the wrong era.
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« Reply #1794 on: July 23, 2017, 11:47:49 AM »

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/07/22/school-district-introduces-new-method-of-identifying-gifted-students/

They've added or shifted to a non-verbal IQ test and shockingly enough discovered it identifies kids who don't speak English as their first language, as well as minority kids otherwise overlooked.

They now need to change their gifted program to meet the needs of the kids this test will identify.
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« Reply #1795 on: July 25, 2017, 10:04:05 PM »

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jul/25/no-such-thing-as-a-gifted-child-einstein-iq

Presented for your consideration...

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« Reply #1796 on: August 03, 2017, 12:15:32 AM »

The "Asian Tax" and collegiate acceptance rates

Quite interesting

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/affirmative-action-battle-has-a-new-focus-asian-americans.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=RelatedCoverage&region=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article



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