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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #12600 on: April 15, 2019, 10:07:48 PM »

Meanwhile, in case you thought Notre Dame was not enough:

https://www.newsweek.com/notre-dame-fire-aqsa-mosque-1397259
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #12601 on: April 15, 2019, 10:12:28 PM »

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/438795-trump-blocked-renomination-of-obama-era-un-racism-official-wont-pick

Trump doesn't give a fuck about reducing racism, whether here or anywhere.

McDougall has been critical of Trump, but Politico noted that it is "not clear whether the White House was aware of those statements."



What the fuck?

You seem surprised or upset about something.

You don't think Trump needed those statements to choose to block the reappointment, do you? All it took was "Obama-era" appointee and he was gone.

The key, which you have chosen to ignore, is that nobody is going to replace him. It is unimportant to "President" Trump.

SHE

- Right.  No replacement as of now.  Fired for cause - her yappy mouth.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #12602 on: April 15, 2019, 10:38:02 PM »

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/438795-trump-blocked-renomination-of-obama-era-un-racism-official-wont-pick

Trump doesn't give a fuck about reducing racism, whether here or anywhere.

McDougall has been critical of Trump, but Politico noted that it is "not clear whether the White House was aware of those statements."



What the fuck?

You seem surprised or upset about something.

You don't think Trump needed those statements to choose to block the reappointment, do you? All it took was "Obama-era" appointee and he was gone.

The key, which you have chosen to ignore, is that nobody is going to replace him. It is unimportant to "President" Trump.

SHE

- Right.  No replacement as of now.  Fired for cause - her yappy mouth.

You are, as ever, welcome to your unfounded opinion.

Mine remains that no yappy mouth was needed - as soon as the appointment was up, Trump wasn't going to reappoint anybody Obama put in. And given the anti-racism bit, isn't going to appoint anybody.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #12603 on: April 15, 2019, 10:42:23 PM »

Wow. You are so all over the place, Bambi.

Its almost like you are reregurgitating word barf from stupid people.

No wonder they don’t even care what you thinkin Australia.

Bet there wouldn't be many asylum seekers pouring over the Mexican border though.
Would halt the caravans in their tracks.
It stopped the boats from Indonesia.
Trump should try it...it's an easy solution.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #12604 on: April 15, 2019, 11:04:29 PM »

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/biggest-green-scam-in-history/news-story/eef51cd0e80107783ff1bf2c8f346a71

‘BIGGEST GREEN SCAM IN HISTORY’

One of three people, including two Temple University graduates, behind what is believed to be the biggest scam involving clean energy in American history was sentenced Friday in Philadelphia federal court.
Amanda Knorr, 35, of Hellertown, Pennsylvania, received 30 months in federal prison for her role in a $54 million Ponzi scheme started out of the offices of a small company just outside Philadelphia.

Knorr co-founded a company called Mantria Corp., which with the help of a slick-talking Colorado "wealth advisor" raised millions for a supposed clean energy product called "biochar" …
Their pitch about producing biochar, however, turned out to be completely baked, according to prosecutors, and eventually proved to be a giant Ponzi scheme.

"Many people lost their entire life savings," assistant U.S. Attorney Robert Livermore said following Knorr's sentencing.

Knorr was the “science expert” behind the scam. Back in 2015, her company was celebrated by former US President Bill Clinton's Clinton Global Initiative for its commitment to "help mitigate global warming".


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Pity the people who lost their entire life savings hadn't been listening to my no1 radio host on the internet and believed that "man-made climate change/global warming doesn't exist".
Believed that "The globe heats up, and cools, all by itself."
That "carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, is tree and plant food, only makes up 0.04% of the earth's atmosphere, and man-made C02 is only 3% of that 0.04%".
Pity.
They lost their entire life savings for nothing.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #12605 on: April 15, 2019, 11:05:18 PM »

https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1117953643339292673

I know Fox seemingly has to keep Shep Smith......

but we'll see.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #12606 on: April 15, 2019, 11:15:28 PM »

https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1117953643339292673

I know Fox seemingly has to keep Shep Smith......

but we'll see.

Media not 'allowed' to even say the M word anymore, let alone point out about all the Christian church burnings in France.
"He who pays the piper calls the tune"Shep could have certain guidelines to follow.
Doesn't surprise many that France is presently in political turmoil.
Obviously France needs Frexit
The Right needs to take back France, control it, and fix it.
Seal the borders, and sort out who's who and what's what.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #12607 on: April 15, 2019, 11:17:15 PM »

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« Reply #12609 on: April 15, 2019, 11:51:14 PM »

The reasoned immigration chat won't happen until we start looking at what our "empty land" does, what it can and can't support, and what stresses of rapid population growth our social infrastructure can handle.  Like Australia, our land area is deceptive in its size, suggesting a greater capacity than it has.  Some of it is desert, and we're already stretching things having so many people living there (Get out of there, Boz!), draining entire rivers, sucking aquifers dry, breaking up delicate topsoils, etc.  Some of our empty land has to grow food, or make oxygen (forests come to mind), or serve as wetlands that filter our freshwater supply, or provide wilderness that refreshes the minds and spirits of crowded urbanites.  Tony suggests Winnemucca, but that's desert and already straining its ecosystem. 

There are several ways overpopulation can be handled, as any biologist can tell you:  greater mortality, lesser fertility, and lesser in-migration.  Nature often takes the draconian solution, with mass die-offs and fertility dropping due to malnutriton of the survivors.  As animals that are capable of abstract thought, we can probably do better, and look at rewarding smaller family sizes and controlling in-migration.  If our survival depended on it, the whole welcoming huddled masses yearning to breathe free might be acid-washed off the statue and replaced with KEEP OUT.  Our welcoming stance was predicated on a vast and thinly populated continent that awaited the huddled masses.  As many experts on global warming and ecosystems have pointed out, the most powerful effect many people can have on the fate of the Earth is to stay in a fairly low-tech third world country where a person will have the lowest carbon footprint and overall demand on the planet's resources.  Just by moving here, many immigrants will increase their load on the Earth ten-fold or more.  They will then join us in the great enterprise of robbing our descendants of a habitable planet.  So our present sanctuary role will come with a big price, in the future.

Developed societies have sapped the earth’s resources and used same to alter our biosphere causing incredible hardship to those in “undeveloped”areas. Climate change through drought reduces arable land which begets famine. These areas maybe rich in resources but what should bring them self sufficiency instead brings them war by proxy on behalf of corporate entities who extract the resources as in the colonial days. This lack of a viable economy leads to famine. So you have drought, famine and war or some combination of all the above caused by “us” and those folks have two choices; stay and die or run and maybe live.

Morally, we can’t fuck up their world and just say, “Sorry about that old chap...”

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #12610 on: April 15, 2019, 11:58:10 PM »

As many experts on global warming and ecosystems have pointed out, the most powerful effect many people can have on the fate of the Earth is to stay in a fairly low-tech third world country where a person will have the lowest carbon footprint and overall demand on the planet's resources.  Just by moving here, many immigrants will increase their load on the Earth ten-fold or more.  They will then join us in the great enterprise of robbing our descendants of a habitable planet.  So our present sanctuary role will come with a big price, in the future.

I was almost with you on this, until this part.  If we are going to factor in the effects our changing planet and resulting limited resources have on our immigration policy, we need to understand that the increase in migration is caused at least in part by people fleeing those conditions in their current country.  See the article in the times just this weekend about how dying coffee crops are driving part of this. 

So if we don’t have the natural resources to handle in influx of immigrants and the alternative we advocate is for them to die in their native country, let’s be honest about what we are arguing about.  My point to kiidcarter8 is let’s not start the conversation by mischaracterizing current law, and saying the people who want current law to continue are anti-America.

I was following your point to KC.  My comments were a tangent of sorts. I was thinking about how corporate colonialism is what makes some people have to flee those 3rd World nations -  if we figured out how to help those places have sustainable economies, and produce locally grown food instead of entertainment beverages for America or whatever, we would have a possible solution both to geopolitical woes and environmental ones.  Capitalism stripmines countries both literally, e.g. lithium, cobalt, etc, and figuratively, as in stripmining nutrients from tropical soils, or flattening rainforests.  Without vision and wisdom and moral guidance, capitalism in its multinational form especially, is an amoral system that reduces all value to productivity without questioning what is worth producing.

Welp. I should have read on before responding!

Exactly.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #12611 on: April 16, 2019, 12:46:04 AM »

The population of Detroit is still shrinking.

http://citymayors.com/gratis/us_cities_shrinking.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit

Companies are still laying off workers, and the people are leaving Detroit for opportunities in other areas.

Some people think that immigration can save Detroit, such as by welcoming immigrants from Colombia, and from Russia, and from Poland, and from the Ukraine, etc, but that would not solve the issue of unemployment and factories closing. You cannot have a bunch of people show up to apply for jobs that do not exist.

But, with redevelopment money, and business loans, then you can get the locals trained and working, then as the jobs are being created, then you bring in the new immigrants, and everyone benefits.

You have to do a whole bunch of things in conjunction, and Detroit can be reborn.

That is what should have happened when President George W. Bush, and the President Obama, did the huge bailouts, money should have gone to cities for redevelopment money, and small business loans, etc, instead of just giving tons of money to bail out financial institutions, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Economic_Stabilization_Act_of_2008

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009

And I know that Obama tried to bail out Detroit, he wanted Detroit to bounce back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Chapter_11_reorganization

https://www.thebalance.com/auto-industry-bailout-gm-ford-chrysler-3305670

It is going to take a lot of work and planning to save Detroit, and the immigrants can help to save Detroit, but there is a lot that must be done, and plans made, and programs created, before you can start bringing in the new immigrants.

Those are some of my thoughts on the issue of Detroit, and immigrants.

Salute,

Tony V.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #12613 on: April 16, 2019, 08:51:55 AM »

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« Reply #12614 on: April 16, 2019, 09:17:21 AM »

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Thanks.  I liked your previous comment on the situation, that we made the mess and have an obligation to help fix.  (I should have posted my complete take in the first post, but tend to think in  pieces....sort of like Columbo and "there's one more thing")

I keep hearing about microeconomics, and that we should support that approach for developing countries. 
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