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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13590 on: May 09, 2019, 01:46:47 PM »

Every week a new story about a big Trump supporter being exposed as a liar and/or grifter:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/05/09/trump-john-lambert-students-lawsuit-jail-226802

There is something about Trump that seems to attract people with these character traits.

Can't think of what it is.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13591 on: May 09, 2019, 01:48:05 PM »

Wasnt the CEO of Chick a Fellate the guy who said gay people were an offense to God and his family donated tons of money to antiLGBT causes?   I think his smugly righteous and hateful comments are what really disgusts God.  That, and anyone who uses God as a cover for being a bigot.  Fuck them.

You are stepping out of your zone, Barton.  Just be yourself.  You are accepted here.

News for you:

If I need advice on post content, I will ask for it.


big·ot·ry
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noun
intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.


 In actual debates, the kind where people offer evidence (as I did to you recently, to no avail),
You made up a statement(and could not verify) to suit your  animus regarding Dan Cathy.
I have no interest in your interaction with other Elba posters.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13592 on: May 09, 2019, 01:56:08 PM »

So after his hour long conversation with Putin which was reportedly largely about the situation in Venezuela, Trump is now bucking his advisors and espousing a view on the situation (including tacit support for Maduro) that would bring US policy more in line with Russia's.  Huh.

Trump is well known to parrot the opinions of whomever he last talks to on any given subject.  But there might be more here than that.  This wouldn't be the first time Trump pushes US policy to one more favorable to Russia's interests.



Well, he IS a Russian plant, after all.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13593 on: May 09, 2019, 02:24:50 PM »

So after his hour long conversation with Putin which was reportedly largely about the situation in Venezuela, Trump is now bucking his advisors and espousing a view on the situation (including tacit support for Maduro) that would bring US policy more in line with Russia's.  Huh.

Trump is well known to parrot the opinions of whomever he last talks to on any given subject.  But there might be more here than that.  This wouldn't be the first time Trump pushes US policy to one more favorable to Russia's interests.



Well, he IS a Russian plant, after all.

Maybe.  "Plant" may be too strong a word.

Willing to work in Russia's interests in return for their interfering in the 2020 elections in his favor?  That is much more possible.

Probable, even.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13594 on: May 09, 2019, 02:50:09 PM »

Attaboy
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13595 on: May 09, 2019, 02:53:15 PM »

It is interesting you now favor a confrontational approach with Russia - when during the election all the talk was about how Trump would surely get us into a world war.  He's been a very strong diplomat - as any US president needs to be.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13596 on: May 09, 2019, 02:57:28 PM »

"He said he didn't meddle. He said he didn't meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times......Every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that.' And I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he means it."


VERY, VERY, VERY STRONG DIPLOMAT!!!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13597 on: May 09, 2019, 03:24:34 PM »

Attaboy

Translation:  I've got no counterargument. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13598 on: May 09, 2019, 03:30:05 PM »


You made up a statement(and could not verify) to suit your  animus regarding Dan Cathy.


Translation:  You (bart) called out a bigot, provided witnessed statements from said bigot showing their bigotry, and I can't provide an actual rebuttal so I'm making this about you. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13599 on: May 09, 2019, 03:43:28 PM »

It is interesting you now favor a confrontational approach with Russia - when during the election all the talk was about how Trump would surely get us into a world war.  He's been a very strong diplomat - as any US president needs to be.

I’m very sure there is a middle ground between kissing Putin’s ass and starting WW3.  I know, because previous Presidents in the not too distant past managed to walk it.

A good diplomat subtly bends parties toward our interests who might otherwise oppose them.  Good diplomacy is not bending our interests toward those of the opposition.  So no, Trump has not been a "very strong diplomat."  He has been, in fact, totally shit at diplomacy.

But I'll play for a second...please give us some examples of his very strong diplomacy.  What foreign policy goals has he set out to achieve, and has successfully completed?  I don't need many examples.  Just give us one for starters.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13600 on: May 09, 2019, 03:46:00 PM »

"He said he didn't meddle. He said he didn't meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times......Every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that.' And I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he means it."


VERY, VERY, VERY STRONG DIPLOMAT!!!

A good diplomat would use his public position to protect our Democracy:

Question:  Isn’t it on the beneficiary of Russian interference to come out and say publicly “I don’t want the help, its counter to our democratic interests, and I will in no way use or reference material stolen by Russia, or reward their meddling once in office.”

Instead, we get your quote above.

Though in this case, I think its more calculated than the usual straightforward incompetence. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13601 on: May 09, 2019, 04:38:16 PM »

So after his hour long conversation with Putin which was reportedly largely about the situation in Venezuela, Trump is now bucking his advisors and espousing a view on the situation (including tacit support for Maduro) that would bring US policy more in line with Russia's.  Huh.

Trump is well known to parrot the opinions of whomever he last talks to on any given subject.  But there might be more here than that.  This wouldn't be the first time Trump pushes US policy to one more favorable to Russia's interests.



Well, he IS a Russian plant, after all.

Maybe.  "Plant" may be too strong a word.

Willing to work in Russia's interests in return for their interfering in the 2020 elections in his favor?  That is much more possible.

Probable, even.

Plant is a great word. Russia has been working the roots since the 1980’s and now gives the creeping weed it’s shape and structure.

Last three republican presidents: bush, shrub, and plant, or little mushroom if you prefer.

Only the first one won an election.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13602 on: May 09, 2019, 05:06:12 PM »

Democrat talking points du jour:

Constitutional Crisis!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13603 on: May 09, 2019, 05:33:42 PM »

Democrat talking points du jour:

Constitutional Crisis!


Calling like it is.
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« Reply #13604 on: May 09, 2019, 05:52:44 PM »

Thanks Bo, it is cool that the web is global and that you are able to join in from China.

How free are they now in China? Is the middle class growing? How about the working hours, do they get leisure time? Are conditions improving for the common man in China as their economy improves? Is the money making it to the workers?

Sometimes the bosses are all getting rich, while the workers starve, which is why unions are so important.

The Middle Class is definitely growing.  Urbanization is rampant, suburbs developing (an unheard of concept 20 years ago).  There's a good deal of economic freedom and competition.  But the gov't and folks at the top are raking in huge amounts.  White collar workers doing reasonably well.  China has tried the past decade to boost consumer demand, so they don't have to rely so much on the vicissitudes of export trade.

Chinese get a good deal of holidays.  Chinese starting to take more international vacations.  Travel around the world and you run into more Chinese these days (when I was in Bethlehem last year, one Palestinian guide was teaching himself Chinese getting ready for the nascent market).  My one doctor friend, in his early 30's went to Namibia two years ago and Israel/Palestine/Jordan this year.  More travel to Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, etc.
This is really a first in Chiense history.  in the past Chinese would migrate to these countries and work hard to build a life.  Now many can earn enough in China and holiday in SE Asia.  Unimaginable a generation ro two ago.

There's still a lot of folks making very little and barely surviving.  But overall, there are jobs and money sloshing around -- though the inequality is huge.  China doesn't really allow unions, as the PRC doesn't allow organizations that could compete for power/prestige.  I'm sure the lessons of Poland have filtered through.  And a communist gov't is supposed to represent the workers.  There are Some phony gov't unions staffed with party officials and management reps, etc.   Every company of a certain size is required to have some communist party officials on the payroll monitoring how things are done.  Kind of partisan spies.

China tends to do things in its own way, borrowing some from the West and from successful Asian countries (South Korea was a big model for a while, Singapore and Japan before that).  But China's market-Leninist system is a hybrid all its own.

Political rights, freedom of expression and rule of law are all curtailed.  But most are thankful they can choose their work and make money and focus on that.  Corruption is endemic and part of the package.  For a tightly controlled authoritarian country, you'd be surprised how many protests occur all over the place on a weekly if not daily basis.  Often involving local officials confiscating land for development projects, or companies such investment houses disappearing over night with all the customer funds, Ponzi schemes (one that collapsed two years ago had taken in over $1B!), etc.  The far west where Turkic-Muslim Chinese live has become a police state, with crowded reeducation camps, checkpoints all over, deployment of cameras and facial recognition tracking, and a severe crackdown on Islamic worship. 

China is a big messy country, but the economic growth over the past 2.5 decades has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty.  Which is admirable and amazing. 

The Chinese global investment has been a double-edged sword.  Countries have become burdened with huge debt.  Sometimes the projects are planned out that well.  China doesn't care if another country is corrupt and a good percent of a deal goes into the pockets of corrupt leaders and their cronies.  There is increasing concern about debt traps.  China has taken over a major port in Sri Lanka after they couldn't service the debt they took on for having China building it.  And I think the same has occurred or been threatened in a few African and So. American countries.  China also tends to hire Chinese companies to build projects, staffed by Chinese, with little benefits for local African/So American workers.
Recently, China is giving lip-service to cleaning these abuses up and following int'l practices on their global lending/projects.
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