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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1920 on: September 05, 2018, 01:12:26 PM »

I am not aware that the Nike - Kaepernick campaign has anything to do with kneeling

Has anyone seen copy - or a clip?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1921 on: September 05, 2018, 01:25:29 PM »

An ad's copy over a picture of Kaepernick reads "Believe in something. Even if it means sacrificing everything."  That sounds like it has something to do with kneeling.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1922 on: September 05, 2018, 01:36:35 PM »

I am not aware that the Nike - Kaepernick campaign has anything to do with kneeling

That you are unaware of something obvious is not surprising.  But Trump is aware (and now also seems aware that Nike is no longer a tenant of his, though he still avoided criticizing Nike directly) as do all those folks cutting up their Nike Socks and posting the pictures on social media.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1923 on: September 05, 2018, 02:29:48 PM »

https://twitter.com/RealKidPoker/status/1037397903805796352

Nice ad.

As I said - nothing to do with kneeling.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1924 on: September 05, 2018, 02:37:03 PM »

If you say so.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1925 on: September 05, 2018, 02:39:43 PM »

I dont think Nike will use athletes kneeling in any of its ads.  You disagree?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1926 on: September 05, 2018, 02:41:49 PM »

But they'll use athletes who have kneeled.  You disagree?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1927 on: September 05, 2018, 03:53:10 PM »

Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan - Season 1

A highly recommended adventure series for prime members. Vividly shows the need for strong borders to keep the primitives out. Dirty bombs and biotoxins are now within easy reach of even the mid-level death cultist

Yeah!

And Dr. Strangelove shows why we cannot trust the President or the military.

Luee, it's fiction. It doesn't show anything. Tom Clancy's written work is filled with corrupt politicians, including the president. It as a military doing unauthorized actions.

We have Dave, which proves that aides to the president are corrupt. We have House of Cards, with the senators conniving.

"Shows the need?!"

You have to be kidding me!
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« Reply #1928 on: September 05, 2018, 03:59:41 PM »

Poor, poor Nike.

March 5, 2018: 65.05
Aug 31, 2018: 82.18
Sept 4, 2018: 79.01
Sept 5, 2018: 79.89

Yeah, they sure are crashing.

The lack of perspective around here on some people's parts is... Trumpesque!
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« Reply #1929 on: September 05, 2018, 04:00:08 PM »

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« Reply #1930 on: September 05, 2018, 04:11:21 PM »

Poor, poor Nike.

March 5, 2018: 65.05
Aug 31, 2018: 82.18
Sept 4, 2018: 79.01
Sept 5, 2018: 79.89

Yeah, they sure are crashing.

The lack of perspective around here on some people's parts is... Trumpesque!

Biggest DOW loser Tuesday, down 2.9%

Gained 33 cents per share today

I think they will probably be fine.  Sure is a good debate starter among business types.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1931 on: September 05, 2018, 04:11:33 PM »

The Times today is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay. We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure. We believe publishing this essay anonymously is the only way to deliver an important perspective to our readers.

Let the guessing game begin:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader.

It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall.

The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.

I would know. I am one of them.

To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.

But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.

That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.

The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.

Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people. At best, he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings. At worst, he has attacked them outright.

In addition to his mass-marketing of the notion that the press is the “enemy of the people,” President Trump’s impulses are generally anti-trade and anti-democratic.

Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.

But these successes have come despite — not because of — the president’s leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.

From the White House to executive branch departments and agencies, senior officials will privately admit their daily disbelief at the commander in chief’s comments and actions. Most are working to insulate their operations from his whims.

Meetings with him veer off topic and off the rails, he engages in repetitive rants, and his impulsiveness results in half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions that have to be walked back.

“There is literally no telling whether he might change his mind from one minute to the next,” a top official complained to me recently, exasperated by an Oval Office meeting at which the president flip-flopped on a major policy decision he’d made only a week earlier.

The erratic behavior would be more concerning if it weren’t for unsung heroes in and around the White House. Some of his aides have been cast as villains by the media. But in private, they have gone to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing, though they are clearly not always successful.

It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t.

The result is a two-track presidency.

Take foreign policy: In public and in private, President Trump shows a preference for autocrats and dictators, such as President Vladimir Putin of Russia and North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, and displays little genuine appreciation for the ties that bind us to allied, like-minded nations.

Astute observers have noted, though, that the rest of the administration is operating on another track, one where countries like Russia are called out for meddling and punished accordingly, and where allies around the world are engaged as peers rather than ridiculed as rivals.

On Russia, for instance, the president was reluctant to expel so many of Mr. Putin’s spies as punishment for the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain. He complained for weeks about senior staff members letting him get boxed into further confrontation with Russia, and he expressed frustration that the United States continued to impose sanctions on the country for its malign behavior. But his national security team knew better — such actions had to be taken, to hold Moscow accountable.

This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.

Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.

The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility.

Senator John McCain put it best in his farewell letter. All Americans should heed his words and break free of the tribalism trap, with the high aim of uniting through our shared values and love of this great nation.

We may no longer have Senator McCain. But we will always have his example — a lodestar for restoring honor to public life and our national dialogue. Mr. Trump may fear such honorable men, but we should revere them.

There is a quiet resistance within the administration of people choosing to put country first. But the real difference will be made by everyday citizens rising above politics, reaching across the aisle and resolving to shed the labels in favor of a single one: Americans.



Bold is mine.

“No one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis…” Well that’s kind of a vague reason for keeping a threat to our country in place.  Sure, no one wants to remove a democratically elected leader.  But these people know that he should be removed.  That he is an unstable danger to the republic.  And yet they won’t, because (and its right there) he is deregulating businesses and lowering taxes on the rich.  For that, those around the “President” (including congressional Republicans) are willing to keep in place an outright threat to the survival of our democracy.

The author describes those around the President as “unsung heroes” for containing the dangers this “President” represents.  But they aren’t. They are egoists, who think they can manage his worst impulses so that they can get what they want, without thinking of the damage done to all of us if they fail. 

You know McConnell thinks “Let’s just get through this and get our judges and our tax cuts, and limit the damage.”  What if they can’t?  Making their wealthy donors more wealthy is too important to them to consider that possibility.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #1932 on: September 05, 2018, 04:19:51 PM »

https://twitter.com/RealKidPoker/status/1037397903805796352

Nice ad.

As I said - nothing to do with kneeling.


Hahahahahahahahaha!

kiidcarter8 employing Trump's strategy: "If I'm too stupid to understand reality, or pretend to be, then facts can play no role in the argument."
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« Reply #1933 on: September 05, 2018, 04:30:31 PM »

Ezra Klein makes an excellent point here: Trump has made clear the basis for his making appointments, so no one in the public can be sure that they have been chosen to serve them, and not for a pledge to protect the "President:"

In a normal presidency, that would be true. But in this presidency, an attorney general the president can have faith in is an attorney general the public cannot have faith in. After all, Trump has bluntly stated that he admires the previous attorney general for protecting a corrupt presidency, and he has raged against his own attorney general for doing too little to protect him from investigation.

These are mistakes, presumably, that Trump will not repeat with his next appointment. Which means that there is no one he could appoint to the job whom the public could trust; we’d never know the assurances made behind closed doors to win the role, and so we’d never be able to have faith in the Justice Department itself.

And it’s not just Sessions. This week, Trump’s nominee to the Supreme Court, Brett Kavanaugh, is testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee. We can’t know precisely why Trump chose Kavanaugh for the role, but we do know that Kavanaugh, unusually among judges, has advocated “exempting a President — while in office — from criminal prosecution and investigation, including from questioning by criminal prosecutors or defense counsel.”

This raises an obvious question: What, if anything, did Trump demand from Kavanaugh to win one of the most coveted positions in American government? Did Kavanaugh assure Trump, directly or indirectly, that he would take a dim view toward troublesome investigations into the White House’s conduct? Did he reiterate that he thinks it is too distracting for a president to face criminal prosecution while in office, and his decisions would reflect that? Does Trump, at the least, think he did?


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/5/17819008/donald-trump-impeachment-sessions-kavanaugh-woodward

Impeach or no, this is not an environment during which a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court should be made.
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« Reply #1934 on: September 05, 2018, 04:50:22 PM »

No doubt he is nuts but in the epic words of BJ it may be a lunatic you are looking for.
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