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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[REDSTATEWARD]

Bernie Sanders, on Climate Change, says “ we must listen to the scientists”!
But at the CNN Town Hall a week ago Sanders dismissed any thoughts of using nuclear power as a renewable source despite assurances from “ SCIENTISTS”! that is the best option and storage of its waste is safe.

But Elizabeth Warren took the prize as the chicken little of the forum calling Climate Change the
EXISTENTIAL CRISIS Yikes! Warren is a millionaire 12 times over and Professor at Harvard
( ok she teaches  Law not English but lawyers have to know the meanings of words).
Climate Change doesn’t even rise to the level of existential threat which is not to say it poses no problems. No matter the wailings of Josh and his Twitter morons our existence on earth is not threatened by “ climate change”. Our quality of life may change but not our existence.
[/i]
In reality climate change is a smokescreen put up by the left to hide its real agenda:
to turn our economy and political system to socialism and away from the status quo of capitalism.

The left! Why don't you cite your source material, Red

I did. I see you can not refute it.

You're telling me all that word vomit came from the mind of Redstateward? The same mind that doesn't know the difference between a benefactor and beneficiary?

Might want to rephrase that.

[Yankguy1]

Bernie Sanders, on Climate Change, says “ we must listen to the scientists”!
But at the CNN Town Hall a week ago Sanders dismissed any thoughts of using nuclear power as a renewable source despite assurances from “ SCIENTISTS”! that is the best option and storage of its waste is safe.

But Elizabeth Warren took the prize as the chicken little of the forum calling Climate Change the
EXISTENTIAL CRISIS Yikes! Warren is a millionaire 12 times over and Professor at Harvard
( ok she teaches  Law not English but lawyers have to know the meanings of words).
Climate Change doesn’t even rise to the level of existential threat which is not to say it poses no problems. No matter the wailings of Josh and his Twitter morons our existence on earth is not threatened by “ climate change”. Our quality of life may change but not our existence.
[/i]
In reality climate change is a smokescreen put up by the left to hide its real agenda:
to turn our economy and political system to socialism and away from the status quo of capitalism.

The left! Why don't you cite your source material, Red

I did. I see you can not refute it.

You're telling me all that word vomit came from the mind of Redstateward? The same mind that doesn't know the difference between a benefactor and beneficiary?

Might want to rephrase that.

Why? I'm not the plagiarist.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Bernie Sanders, on Climate Change, says “ we must listen to the scientists”!
But at the CNN Town Hall a week ago Sanders dismissed any thoughts of using nuclear power as a renewable source despite assurances from “ SCIENTISTS”! that is the best option and storage of its waste is safe.

But Elizabeth Warren took the prize as the chicken little of the forum calling Climate Change the
EXISTENTIAL CRISIS Yikes! Warren is a millionaire 12 times over and Professor at Harvard
( ok she teaches  Law not English but lawyers have to know the meanings of words).
Climate Change doesn’t even rise to the level of existential threat which is not to say it poses no problems. No matter the wailings of Josh and his Twitter morons our existence on earth is not threatened by “ climate change”. Our quality of life may change but not our existence.
[/i]
In reality climate change is a smokescreen put up by the left to hide its real agenda:
to turn our economy and political system to socialism and away from the status quo of capitalism.

The left! Why don't you cite your source material, Red

I did. I see you can not refute it.

You're telling me all that word vomit came from the mind of Redstateward? The same mind that doesn't know the difference between a benefactor and beneficiary?

Might want to rephrase that.

Why?

Suit yourself.

[josh]

Bernie Sanders, on Climate Change, says “ we must listen to the scientists”!

In reality climate change is a smokescreen put up by the left to hide its real agenda:
to turn our economy and political system to socialism and away from the status quo of capitalism.

No, Ward.

You are fuller of bullshit now than you have ever been before. It is astounding just how wrong you are.

And... were it not for the fact that so many people are going to suffer because you and people like you have their heads so firmly and deeply up their asses, I would laugh so hard the day that you finally admitted the truth to yourself.

Not that you could ever admit it to anybody else. But I suspect that the economy will have come crashing down and some cities been mostly lost before you will see more out your eyes than the shit that has filled your head.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Bernie Sanders, on Climate Change, says “ we must listen to the scientists”!

In reality climate change is a smokescreen put up by the left to hide its real agenda:
to turn our economy and political system to socialism and away from the status quo of capitalism.

No, Ward.

You are fuller of bullshit now than you have ever been before. It is astounding just how wrong you are.

And... were it not for the fact that so many people are going to suffer because you and people like you have their heads so firmly and deeply up their asses, I would laugh so hard the day that you finally admitted the truth to yourself.

Not that you could ever admit it to anybody else. But I suspect that the economy will have come crashing down and some cities been mostly lost before you will see more out your eyes than the shit that has filled your head.

LOL. Insults are not a response.

[josh]

Bernie Sanders, on Climate Change, says “ we must listen to the scientists”!

In reality climate change is a smokescreen put up by the left to hide its real agenda:
to turn our economy and political system to socialism and away from the status quo of capitalism.

No, Ward.

You are fuller of bullshit now than you have ever been before. It is astounding just how wrong you are.

And... were it not for the fact that so many people are going to suffer because you and people like you have their heads so firmly and deeply up their asses, I would laugh so hard the day that you finally admitted the truth to yourself.

Not that you could ever admit it to anybody else. But I suspect that the economy will have come crashing down and some cities been mostly lost before you will see more out your eyes than the shit that has filled your head.

LOL. Insults are not a response.

Ward, you posted no evidence to support your contention and you insulted me, too, or had you already forgotten that?

There is nothing in what you said that needs refuting - and the evidence about the climate crisis is stuff you have been ignoring amost as assiduously as you have Trump's violations of law and morality.

My reiterating that you are full of shit is as much of a response as your post deserved.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.alternet.org/2019/09/some-of-trumps-allies-and-officials-must-face-federal-prosecution-to-save-the-republic/

[josh]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1171735691769929728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1171735692428419072&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2Fbusiness%2Flive-news%2Fstock-market-news-today-091119%2Findex.html

The Federal Reserve should get our interest rates down to ZERO, or less, and we should then start to refinance our debt. INTEREST COST COULD BE BROUGHT WAY DOWN, while at the same time substantially lengthening the term. We have the great currency, power, and balance sheet.....

"ZERO, or less" - borrow money and have the lender pay you money!

Then this:

....The USA should always be paying the the lowest rate. No Inflation! It is only the naïveté of Jay Powell and the Federal Reserve that doesn’t allow us to do what other countries are already doing. A once in a lifetime opportunity that we are missing because of “Boneheads.”

[josh]

Four years ago today:

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Bernie Sanders, on Climate Change, says “ we must listen to the scientists”!
But at the CNN Town Hall a week ago Sanders dismissed any thoughts of using nuclear power as a renewable source despite assurances from “ SCIENTISTS”! that is the best option and storage of its waste is safe.

But Elizabeth Warren took the prize as the chicken little of the forum calling Climate Change the
EXISTENTIAL CRISIS Yikes! Warren is a millionaire 12 times over and Professor at Harvard
( ok she teaches  Law not English but lawyers have to know the meanings of words).
Climate Change doesn’t even rise to the level of existential threat which is not to say it poses no problems. No matter the wailings of Josh and his Twitter morons our existence on earth is not threatened by “ climate change”. Our quality of life may change but not our existence.
[/i]
In reality climate change is a smokescreen put up by the left to hide its real agenda:
to turn our economy and political system to socialism and away from the status quo of capitalism.

The left! Why don't you cite your source material, Red

There is an increasingly large subset of former climate change deniers whose argument is now “OK, it’s bad, but it’s not an Existential Threat.”  After years of arguing that there is no such thing as man-made climate change, a hoax made up by scientists to get funding (or something) now it exists but it’s just a Quality of Life issue.  If Quality of Life covers the health of billions of people, with millions dying of disease, heat exposure, hunger and thirst.  But it’s not existential, see, because not all humans will die, and the wealthy in the US will probably find a way to keep living.  So it’s all good!

What is so incredibly idiotic about this argument is that their solution to this “OK it’s a problem but not an existential one” is the same as it was when they denied the threat ever existed; do nothing.  The endless parsing over words and definitions is just obvious obfuscation if you don’t then say what you are willing to do about it. 

You think the Green New Deal is only justified by an Existential Threat?  So what does the world getting unhealthier, the loss of food supplies and potable water, fewer regions on the globe that sustain life, heightened chances of natural disaster causing property damage and loss of life, lower GDP, what action does all that justify?  Nothing?  Make a counter proposal, or shut the fuck up.

The irony is that given the threats that even the Trump Administration has accepted, some moderate action like the Paris Climate Agreement would probably be a decent counter to the more aggressive proposals in the Green New Deal.  But where does the US stand on that again?  Where does REDSTATEWARD stand on that?

And the same piece that REDSTATEWARD is ripping off here without citation makes the same old argument that well, even if we did something as drastic as the Green New Deal, it will be useless because other countries won’t.  Yeah, if only there was some accord or agreement we all signed to combat the problem in the same way…

[bodiddley]

What some don't seem to understand is that Going Green doesn't mean killing the economy, it's just redirecting the economy to solar/wind, recycling, retrofitting buildings.  Should mean lots of jobs in the Green economy.  And less for the polluting industries.

The Dems do a terrible job of explaining this stuff.
Kind of like how they never tout that putting money in the hands of poor and working class people is good for the economy as they are the ones most likely to spend it. 

[NeedsAdjustments]

What some don't seem to understand is that Going Green doesn't mean killing the economy, it's just redirecting the economy to solar/wind, recycling, retrofitting buildings.  Should mean lots of jobs in the Green economy.  And less for the polluting industries.

True but there are short-run vs. long-run effects of making these changes in energy production sources, conservation, etc.

And the political realities are what they are.  "You telling me I can't drive my gas guzzler, need to switch out my light bulbs and eat less meat?  Socialism!"  Some portion of America, largely the portion that will be voting Trump in 2020, is susceptible to that argument.

[barton]

What some don't seem to understand is that Going Green doesn't mean killing the economy, it's just redirecting the economy to solar/wind, recycling, retrofitting buildings.  Should mean lots of jobs in the Green economy.  And less for the polluting industries.

The Dems do a terrible job of explaining this stuff.

Not as terrible as the job Repubs do of listening.  Many have confused basic human rights and luxuries - grilling thick steaks, driving your Hummer, and dumping hormone-altering poison on your yard to get dandelion-free perfection, are luxuries not inalienable rights. 

We've known that global warming is happening and what some of the effects will be on human life since the late 70's.  For over 50 years, scientists have been trying to make people aware of what's happening, but for many people it all seems like a bunch of abstractions and it just goes in one ear and out the other.  One sorta silver lining of all these more intense tropical storms, heat waves, permafrost melts, storm surges, and such is that it's starting to make it all a little less abstract and bit more real.  As Jonathan Franzen pointed out in his recent New Yorker piece, we can't stop all the GW from happening, CO2 levels will stay elevated for millenia, but green measures can slow the process down and make considerable difference in how well we can adapt to all the changes.

And as Needs so eloquently pointed out, a problem doesn't have to terminate our species in order to be taken seriously as a threat. 

[oilcan]

I would love to see gasoline-powered leafblowers go away.  One of those preposterous technologies that doesn't massively improve on the low-tech devices humans have used for centuries, i.e. brooms and rakes.  You don't have to gas them up, take them in for repairs, and they are light enough in weight even a fairly frail person can hold one.  They also work better to keep the old spare tire at bay.

Humans are like children when it comes to modern technology.  Anything that some company wants to sell them and they're all "ooh, ooh!  shiny toy!"  Anything that reduces physical work and they're all "Waah, waah!  I don't wanna make an effort!  Give me a shiny toy that does all the effort for me!" 

[oilcan]

LONDON — A panel of three Scottish judges ruled Wednesday morning that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend Parliament was illegal, escalating an already passionate debate over whether the British prime minister respects the rule of law and throwing into even greater doubt his plans for Brexit.

The ruling does not mean Parliament will immediately come back into session. But it does give the prime minister’s opponents hope ahead of an expected Supreme Court hearing next week. Some even raised the prospect that Johnson will have to resign if he loses that case.

The Scottish judges ruled that the government had been misleading — including, perhaps, to the queen — about its real reasons for the five-week suspension and that the move was “unlawful because it had the purpose of stymying Parliament.”

One simple rule for being British:  You don't fucking mislead the fucking Queen!  How hard is that to get through your thick heads, you dumb Limey cocksuckers??