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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[bodiddley]

Deportations under Obama were way up.
I mostly assumed due to the Bush Recession and weakened economy, the US became less tolerant of immigrants looking for jobs.
There was criticism of Obama's deportation policies by those on the left, I'd frequently see minor stories about it, especially in the last term.  Trump is the one who rather intentionally brought the issue of separating children from parents into the forefront.

[josh]

Zero tolerance unequal to zero reuniting.

Sure.

Who said otherwise?

That the policy was against reuniting doesn't mean that it had to be linked to the zero tolerance policy. Nothing about ZTP required shipping the kids all over or intentionally not keeping records or striving to not reunite families, even after the judge told them to.

They were linked by active choice.

And again, why the fuck are you trying to defend that immoral set of actions?

[bodiddley]

Last time we ran an LBJ he took the seat.

Then he turned ass and ran away

LBJ retired to his ranch, and reportedly let his hair grow long and constantly listened to Simon & Garfunkel's Bridge Over Troubled Water.
Died two days after what would have been his 2nd full term expired.

The next Prez election is going to be quite interesting.  Will Trump be healthy enough or still interested in running the country?  He could just bluster that he accomplished everything he wanted to in one term and wants to retire as the greatest president ever.  But he does seem to like the campaigning shtick more than the governing.  Will there be any serious GOP primary challenge if Trump does run again?  Someone who promises to carry out more or less the same GOP agenda Trump is pushing but without all the drama and chaos, confusion and division.  A uniter?  Without a primary challenge to eaken him, Trump will be formidable with the resources of Twitter and the Wh at his disposal.  Unless folks just got plain tired of him by then.

Right now, Liz Warren has to be the DEM front-runner and she's tough and smart.

Speaking of RFK, Mark Shields said:
“We have never had a tough liberal. He [RFK] was the last tough liberal. Every one after him was a can’t-we-get-along, bleeding-heart liberal. He was a tough son of a bitch.’’

[Driver125]

And again, why the fuck are you trying to defend that immoral set of actions?

Because nothing is as important as propping up and defending his hero, Donald Trump…..nothing.

[luee]

Elitist=no more dirty coal mines
Elitist= cheap immigrant labor for nannies and votes even if they do not assimilate well and are often violent and xenophobic
Elitist=no more veterans
Elitist=no more unions and dumb blue collars
Elitist=environment over everything

Often Pro-Saudi and pro Nato

[Driver125]

Right now, Liz Warren has to be the DEM front-runner and she's tough and smart.

    Warren would be a great president…..intelligent, compassionate, informed, experienced (all the things Trump is not)…..the only thing I worry about is the woman president thing. A woman president will come sooner or later, but the 2018 and 2020 elections are shaping up to be the most important elections in our history. Many people feel that the whole future of our democratic republic lies in the balance. Donald Trump must be defeated before he turns this country into a right-wing oligarchy, and I’m not sure if we can risk anything new or unknown for 2020. We need the surest, sure thing that we have. Perhaps a strong woman VP candidate at this time (Warren or Kamala Harris?).

[luee]

My unrealistic choice is Tulsi Gabbard

Not a phony baloney liberal elitist.



---She served in a field medical unit of the Hawaii Army National Guard in a combat zone in Iraq from 2004 to 2005 and was deployed to Kuwait from 2008 to 2009.[5] Gabbard previously served in the Hawaii House of Representatives from 2002 to 2004, becoming at age 21 the youngest woman to be elected to a U.S. state legislature at the time.[6]

Gabbard is noted for her unorthodox political positions within her party.[7] Gabbard supports abortion rights, opposed the Trans-Pacific Partnership, has called for a restoration of the Glass–Steagall Act, and changed her stance to support same-sex marriage in 2012. She denounces aspects of American government policy in wars like those in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, and opposes removal of Bashar al-Assad from power, arguing that the country's civil war is a source of the Syrian refugee crisis.---

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard

[josh]

Right now, Liz Warren has to be the DEM front-runner and she's tough and smart.

She'd be the front-runner if she were running.

I would be very surprised if she ran, despite folks' interpretations of today's talk shows.

[josh]

Elitist=no more dirty coal mines
Elitist= cheap immigrant labor for nannies and votes even if they do not assimilate well and are often violent and xenophobic
Elitist=no more veterans
Elitist=no more unions and dumb blue collars
Elitist=environment over everything

Often Pro-Saudi and pro Nato

None of that except the nannies and "no more unions" have anything to do with elitism and even those barely.

The problem is not the dirty coal mines, Luee. It's the dirty burning of coal. But coal's problems are mostly not environmental, even as I wish that were accepted: they're economic. When it takes the federal (small government is good!) government to prop up their business, then you know it is the money. (Remember when the GOP was saying federal bailouts were a bad thing?)

Why you are insisting that blue collar = dumb I don't claim to know, but I'm pretty sure you are the person saying it, not anybody here and not anybody on the campaign trail.

You still haven't responded to anything I said in response to your "anybody doubt?" post.

And wtf, "no more veterans?" How do you propose to do that (or how do you think the so-called elitists propose to do that)? Kill them all? Decrease their benefits (as proposed by the current administration)?

"Pro-NATO" as elitist.

Wow, Luee, you are off on your own little planet.

[josh]

My unrealistic choice is Tulsi Gabbard

Not a phony baloney liberal elitist.



---She served in a field medical unit of the Hawaii Army National Guard in a combat zone in Iraq from 2004 to 2005 and was deployed to Kuwait from 2008 to 2009.[5] Gabbard previously served in the Hawaii House of Representatives from 2002 to 2004, becoming at age 21 the youngest woman to be elected to a U.S. state legislature at the time.[6]

Gabbard is noted for her unorthodox political positions within her party.[7] Gabbard supports abortion rights, opposed the Trans-Pacific Partnership, has called for a restoration of the Glass–Steagall Act, and changed her stance to support same-sex marriage in 2012. She denounces aspects of American government policy in wars like those in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, and opposes removal of Bashar al-Assad from power, arguing that the country's civil war is a source of the Syrian refugee crisis.---

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard

What makes those, except for the al-Assad component, peculiar for her party? Supporting abortion rights is hardly novel. The TPP opposition and support both cross party lines. Glass-Steagall is another piece that is pretty common - Clinton opposed it, as proposed, because it would not have prevented the 2008 problem and she wanted something stronger that would have gone beyond G-S.

Who didn't denounce how we handled Iraq, even among those who believed we should be there even after we discovered there were no WMD there.

I like Tulsi Gabbard, Luee, but none of what you listed make her particularly stand out. She has other redeeming features.

But she would be under 40 on Inauguration Day, 2021, and I think that would be very hard for a ton of voters.

[josh]

https://www.stripes.com/news/coast-guard-icebreaker-funding-reallocated-to-us-mexico-border-wall-1.540857#.W2W7OGt98xQ.twitter

Another boon to Russia, another slap to America.

[luee]

No, FDR the leader of the "new deal" and father of the new Democratic party was not pro-immigration and he did not turn away the blue collar vote. He put large numbers to work in NRA projects.

---The Donald Trump campaign is slamming Hillary Clinton for saying that half of Trump’s supporters belong in a "basket of deplorables.  "Speaking at the LGBT for Hillary Gala in New York City on Sept. 9, 2016, Clinton said that Trump’s supporters were "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic." Trump said the remarks showed "her true contempt for everyday Americans."---

Her plan was to reeducate and retrain the citizens she put out of work. So compassionate!

[luee]

My unrealistic choice is Tulsi Gabbard

Not a phony baloney liberal elitist.



---She served in a field medical unit of the Hawaii Army National Guard in a combat zone in Iraq from 2004 to 2005 and was deployed to Kuwait from 2008 to 2009.[5] Gabbard previously served in the Hawaii House of Representatives from 2002 to 2004, becoming at age 21 the youngest woman to be elected to a U.S. state legislature at the time.[6]

Gabbard is noted for her unorthodox political positions within her party.[7] Gabbard supports abortion rights, opposed the Trans-Pacific Partnership, has called for a restoration of the Glass–Steagall Act, and changed her stance to support same-sex marriage in 2012. She denounces aspects of American government policy in wars like those in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, and opposes removal of Bashar al-Assad from power, arguing that the country's civil war is a source of the Syrian refugee crisis.---

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard

What makes those, except for the al-Assad component, peculiar for her party? Supporting abortion rights is hardly novel. The TPP opposition and support both cross party lines. Glass-Steagall is another piece that is pretty common - Clinton opposed it, as proposed, because it would not have prevented the 2008 problem and she wanted something stronger that would have gone beyond G-S.

Who didn't denounce how we handled Iraq, even among those who believed we should be there even after we discovered there were no WMD there.

I like Tulsi Gabbard, Luee, but none of what you listed make her particularly stand out. She has other redeeming features.

But she would be under 40 on Inauguration Day, 2021, and I think that would be very hard for a ton of voters.

She served her country, she is a democrat, she did not drink the Saudi moderate rebel kool aid and she definitely is not a liberal elitist of the Clinton-Warren ilk. Most importantly she has proven she can win elections. Assad was a big issue for me he was the only leader of the time who fought ISIS and won. Half the world would have worn black masks and butchered Christians.

[facilitatorn]

Mitch McConnell starved and shrunk the 2009 National Recovery act. His subsequent crimes and attacks on America, it’s people, and the constitution overshadow this sordid episode in his history.

While people defend coal mining it’s strange they never mention the asbestos industry which has lost even more jobs from its peak, or makers of lead paint or makers of watches with faces imbedded with uranium so they glow in the dark. There are many jobs lost to litigation and regulation in those industries, but very little righteous indignation from “populists”.

Trump deplores anyone and anything not actively kissing his ass. If he didn’t deplore his supporters so much he’d put a little time in every now and again actually doing his job.

[facilitatorn]

All three of the wives and both daughters would rather be with LeBron than trump.

Here’s an early return,

http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/08/melania-trump-stands-apart-from-her-husband-says-nice-things-about-lebron-james.html

Melania is open about it.

LeBron never raped Ivana, so King James by default is her clear choice.

Marla is still probably getting shots because of how badly donald lost his personal Vietnam.

Tiffany, the trump with the closest thing to taste, knows what’s up.

Ivanka won’t tell daddy, but she’s got a subscription to NBA league pass.