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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[bodiddley]

Guns too.

But besides tax cuts aimed to make the rich richer, I doubt many GOP politicians care much about abortion or guns, but just deploy those to hook the religious and rural folk who feel strongly on those issues. 

They add in racism, because it's just not easy running on a straight make the Rich Richer platform.

[kiidcarter8]

Mulvaney was very nice to Chris Wallace, while schooling him a bit today on Fox.  Check the interview if you can.

[kiidcarter8]

And before that it was Benghazi.
The goal was to always link Clinton to some pseudo-scandal which could be trumped up into seeming to be some major corruption to keep a  damaging and negative association.

Sure

Excellent politicking

[oilcan]

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-offers-freed-isis-fighters-a-group-rate-at-trump-doral-resort

[NeedsAdjustments]

Mulvaney was very nice to Chris Wallace, while schooling him a bit today on Fox.  Check the interview if you can.

"At the end of the day he (the President) still considers himself to be in the hospitality business."

Yup. 

[NeedsAdjustments]

Of course, nobody cares that a number of Trump officials have used private email to conduct official business, including Kushner using Whatsapp (to communicate with the Saudi leader among other things).

I think a lot of people care.  I do.  And have posted about this double standard here often.  Its our media that sees it as a non story, after making it the ONLY story in the last national election.

The news media in 2016 was totally unprepared to deal with a hoax candidate at Trump's level of corruption and bad faith going up against a serious if conventional politician.  Reporting the obvious asymmetry would make them appear biased, they thought, so they jumped on the "emails" as a way to balance the coverage.  And failed miserably.

Which is why post-election "Emails!" have disappeared completely as an issue by which to judge public servants.  Add to Kushner the fact that Trump uses unsecured cell phones, and the Ukraine scandal has revealed that multiple State Dept. officials also use personal emails and messaging for official business. 

And the fact that Clinton was found after a three year review to have done nothing wrong?  The news doesn't even cause a ripple.

[Hairy Lime]

I guess, but I think the ongoing worship of wealth and business played a major part. 

Related to that, I don't think many realized how stupid or ill-informed a rich person could be.

Oh, for sure.  Trump and team did a fine job of promoting the meme "if someone is rich, it's because they're smart."  Allied with the memes of "government is like a business" and "shrewd business is a model for good government" and all they had to do was sell the fiction that Trump was a shrewd businessman who rose on his smarts.  Since most people in key red states had barely heard of Trump, knew nothing of his checkered career, and would be hard put to say how he differed from actual shrewd moguls like Buffet or Gates, their brains presented blank slates on which almost anything could be written.   Inject origin tales into FB and Twitter echo chambers, and bada bing!

Hillary chose the word deplorable.

Donald chose the Russians. Repeatedly.

You chose him. Repeatedly.

And you think that "deplorable" is worse?

That makes you deplorable.

Red still has never told us which of "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic [or] Islamaphobic" he is.

[NeedsAdjustments]

And before that it was Benghazi.
The goal was to always link Clinton to some pseudo-scandal which could be trumped up into seeming to be some major corruption to keep a  damaging and negative association.

Sure

Excellent politicking

I would not call campaigning off of emails stolen by a hostile foreign intelligence service "excellent politicking."  I hope others wouldn't find that meets the definition either.

Our politics has devolved into becoming mostly about harping on bad faith propaganda.  Issues that in no way mean anything to the lives of voters, but that people jump on because its entertaining and a story.  Dramaaah, right?  Thats what you want in a candidate, kiidcarter8?

I can be tolerant of a certain amount of that when it isn't in the service of exactly the thing the candidate is claiming to be fighting against.  Like when Trump teed up an investigation in Ukraine he would have used to argue that Biden was corrupt, when in fact that investigation was born out of his own corrupt use of foreign policy for his own political benefit.

That's not good politicking.  That's just lying.

[NeedsAdjustments]

Red still has never told us which of "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic [or] Islamaphobic" he is.

Maybe because he thinks you are asking him to choose.

[kiidcarter8]

Interesting thought

https://twitter.com/stonecold2050/status/1185341637372727296

[LarryBnDC]

Of course, nobody cares that a number of Trump officials have used private email to conduct official business, including Kushner using Whatsapp (to communicate with the Saudi leader among other things).

I think a lot of people care.  I do.  And have posted about this double standard here often.  Its our media that sees it as a non story, after making it the ONLY story in the last national election.

The news media in 2016 was totally unprepared to deal with a hoax candidate at Trump's level of corruption and bad faith going up against a serious if conventional politician.  Reporting the obvious asymmetry would make them appear biased, they thought, so they jumped on the "emails" as a way to balance the coverage.  And failed miserably.

Which is why post-election "Emails!" have disappeared completely as an issue by which to judge public servants.  Add to Kushner the fact that Trump uses unsecured cell phones, and the Ukraine scandal has revealed that multiple State Dept. officials also use personal emails and messaging for official business. 

And the fact that Clinton was found after a three year review to have done nothing wrong?  The news doesn't even cause a ripple.

Unprepared?

Harrumph!

"It may not be good for America, but it's damn good for CBS," he said of the presidential race.

Moonves called the campaign for president a "circus" full of "bomb throwing," and he hopes it continues.

"Most of the ads are not about issues. They're sort of like the debates," he said.

"Man, who would have expected the ride we're all having right now? ... The money's rolling in and this is fun," he said.

"I've never seen anything like this, and this going to be a very good year for us. Sorry. It's a terrible thing to say. But, bring it on, Donald. Keep going," said Moonves.

"Donald's place in this election is a good thing," he said Monday at the Morgan Stanley Technology, Media & Telecom Conference in San Francisco.

"There's a lot of money in the marketplace," the exec said of political advertising so far this presidential season.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/leslie-moonves-donald-trump-may-871464

[NeedsAdjustments]

I can be tolerant of a certain amount of that when it isn't in the service of exactly the thing the candidate is claiming to be fighting against.  Like when Trump teed up an investigation in Ukraine he would have used to argue that Biden was corrupt, when in fact that investigation was born out of his own corrupt use of foreign policy for his own political benefit.

And remember how the basis of the personal server scandal was that Clinton supposedly made classified info available to foreign hackers?

The Russians didn’t even need to hack anything to get classified info from Trump. They just had to walk through the door of the White House.  We pulled a deep asset out of Russia because Trump couldn’t be trusted to keep him secret.  Other allies now decline to share info with us for fear that it would end up in Putin’s hands.    We know Kushner shared secret info about Saudi Nationals in the US with MBS.

And Trump tweeted what was a classified satellite photo of Iran that was an intelligence bonanza to any foreign power interested in our capabilities in that area.

Will any of that be issues in 2020?  No.  Because harping on it in 2016 was bad faith propaganda from people fully preparing to use every instrument of power they can get their hands on to serve themselves, not the people of the United States.

No, not politicking.  Lying.
 

[REDSTATEWARD]

I can be tolerant of a certain amount of that when it isn't in the service of exactly the thing the candidate is claiming to be fighting against.  Like when Trump teed up an investigation in Ukraine he would have used to argue that Biden was corrupt, when in fact that investigation was born out of his own corrupt use of foreign policy for his own political benefit.


And remember how the basis of the personal server scandal was that Clinton supposedly made classified info available to foreign hackers?

 Nice spin. Incredibly humorous.




Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state discovered nearly 600 security incidents that violated agency policy,
according to a report the Daily Caller News Foundation obtained.
The investigation, conducted by the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security, found 38 individuals were culpable for 91 security violations. Another 497 violations were found, but no individuals were found culpable in those incidents.

Clinton exchanged more than 60,000 emails on a private email account hosted on a server that she kept at her residence in New York. She emailed frequently with longtime aides Huma Abedin, Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan, and an outside adviser, Sidney Blumenthal.
The FBI investigated whether Clinton mishandled classified information by using the server. Former FBI Director James Comey announced July 5, 2016, that he would not be recommending charges against Clinton over the server, though he did say she was extremely careless” in using an off-the-books email system.
The FBI determined that thousands of the emails on Clinton’s server contained some level of classified information. Some of those emails were found to have information classified as top secret, the highest level of classification.
State Department investigators reviewed all of Clinton’s emails, obtained hundreds of statements, and conducted dozens of in-person interviews with current and former State Department officials, according to the report.
Investigators determined personal email use to conduct official State Department business “represented an increased risk of unauthorized disclosure.” Clinton’s use of the private server “added an increased degree of risk of compromise as a private system lacks the network monitoring and intrusion detection capabilities of State Department networks,” the report stated.
Investigators said there was “no persuasive evidence” of “systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information.”

One reason that investigators were unable to assign culpability in the 497 incidents was because of the duration of the investigation. Many of the subjects of the probe, including Clinton and her circle of aides, has left the State Department by the time the investigation began.

[NeedsAdjustments]

I can be tolerant of a certain amount of that when it isn't in the service of exactly the thing the candidate is claiming to be fighting against.  Like when Trump teed up an investigation in Ukraine he would have used to argue that Biden was corrupt, when in fact that investigation was born out of his own corrupt use of foreign policy for his own political benefit.


And remember how the basis of the personal server scandal was that Clinton supposedly made classified info available to foreign hackers?

 Nice spin. Incredibly humorous.


Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state discovered nearly 600 security incidents that violated agency policy,
according to a report the Daily Caller News Foundation obtained.
The investigation, conducted by the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security, found 38 individuals were culpable for 91 security violations. Another 497 violations were found, but no individuals were found culpable in those incidents.

Clinton exchanged more than 60,000 emails on a private email account hosted on a server that she kept at her residence in New York. She emailed frequently with longtime aides Huma Abedin, Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan, and an outside adviser, Sidney Blumenthal.
The FBI investigated whether Clinton mishandled classified information by using the server. Former FBI Director James Comey announced July 5, 2016, that he would not be recommending charges against Clinton over the server, though he did say she was extremely careless” in using an off-the-books email system.
The FBI determined that thousands of the emails on Clinton’s server contained some level of classified information. Some of those emails were found to have information classified as top secret, the highest level of classification.
State Department investigators reviewed all of Clinton’s emails, obtained hundreds of statements, and conducted dozens of in-person interviews with current and former State Department officials, according to the report.
Investigators determined personal email use to conduct official State Department business “represented an increased risk of unauthorized disclosure.” Clinton’s use of the private server “added an increased degree of risk of compromise as a private system lacks the network monitoring and intrusion detection capabilities of State Department networks,” the report stated.
Investigators said there was “no persuasive evidence” of “systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information.”

One reason that investigators were unable to assign culpability in the 497 incidents was because of the duration of the investigation. Many of the subjects of the probe, including Clinton and her circle of aides, has left the State Department by the time the investigation began.

Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state discovered nearly 600 security incidents that violated agency policy,
according to a report the Daily Caller News Foundation obtained.
The investigation, conducted by the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security, found 38 individuals were culpable for 91 security violations. Another 497 violations were found, but no individuals were found culpable in those incidents.

Clinton exchanged more than 60,000 emails on a private email account hosted on a server that she kept at her residence in New York. She emailed frequently with longtime aides Huma Abedin, Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan, and an outside adviser, Sidney Blumenthal.
The FBI investigated whether Clinton mishandled classified information by using the server. Former FBI Director James Comey announced July 5, 2016, that he would not be recommending charges against Clinton over the server, though he did say she was extremely careless” in using an off-the-books email system.
The FBI determined that thousands of the emails on Clinton’s server contained some level of classified information. Some of those emails were found to have information classified as top secret, the highest level of classification.
State Department investigators reviewed all of Clinton’s emails, obtained hundreds of statements, and conducted dozens of in-person interviews with current and former State Department officials, according to the report.
Investigators determined personal email use to conduct official State Department business “represented an increased risk of unauthorized disclosure.” Clinton’s use of the private server “added an increased degree of risk of compromise as a private system lacks the network monitoring and intrusion detection capabilities of State Department networks,” the report stated.
Investigators said there was “no persuasive evidence” of “systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information.”

One reason that investigators were unable to assign culpability in the 497 incidents was because of the duration of the investigation. Many of the subjects of the probe, including Clinton and her circle of aides, has left the State Department by the time the investigation began.

If you post the info twice it looks like you have more to say!

Reports conclusion: “There was no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information.”

And all you are doing now is proving my point.  You are so outraged about the possibility that mishandled classified info may have been left unsecured with no evidence that any of it actually was.  Meanwhile the next time you post anything about Trump actually giving Russians classified info, Kushner giving the Saudis classified info, Trump using an unsecured cell phone, Administration officials including Jared and Ivanka using private messaging to conduct official business, etc, it will be the first time.

You don't really care about the issue if you can't use it as a club against your favorite target.  Bad faith propaganda and lies.  You eat it up.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Hey Needs!
Thanks for repeating my facts.
And for totally missing the point.
Hillary is so yesterday.
She was a “lock” to break the glass ceiling.
She failed miserably.
But as the State Department report on her ill-advised ego trip with a private e-mail server ( a violation of Obama policy) proves beyond a doubt; it was a legitimate story to be detailed in a presidential race.
So sorry it disappointed you.