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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[kiidcarter8]

Exactly what I said would happen:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/it-doesnt-matter-house-republicans-embrace-quid-pro-quo

A House GOP aide described the change in messaging this way: “It has gone from: ‘There is no quid pro quo,’ to: ‘There’s a quid and a quo but not a pro,’ to 'Even if there was a quid pro quo, it’s not that bad, this is just how things are done — you can say it’s bad, but it’s not impeachable.”

By the way, "The President has this power so its legal" defense is totally wrong.  This is why we have Congressional oversight.  The President is granted powers, but he can abuse them in ways that are 100% illegal.

For example, the President has the power to grant ambassadorships.  If he says "Give me $2 million and I'll give you the ambassadorship" that's Bribery, and exactly the kind of thing the impeachment power is meant to address.

Sounds like you will be happy winning this battle yet losing the war (no impeachment)

[NeedsAdjustments]

Questioning the loyalty of a decorated military officer who has served for over 20 years is not treating him with appropriate respect.

Specifically...?

I mean - the guy was questioned for hours. If you want to point to an instance where there seemed to be some disrespect, fine - but this was not the overall air from the Republicans.

Yes, I am pointing to a specific instance where there was disrespectful questioning, after you said he was treated with respect.

"Overall air" is bullshit.  Sure, they didn't spit on him.  You have point there!

[NeedsAdjustments]

Exactly what I said would happen:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/it-doesnt-matter-house-republicans-embrace-quid-pro-quo

A House GOP aide described the change in messaging this way: “It has gone from: ‘There is no quid pro quo,’ to: ‘There’s a quid and a quo but not a pro,’ to 'Even if there was a quid pro quo, it’s not that bad, this is just how things are done — you can say it’s bad, but it’s not impeachable.”

By the way, "The President has this power so its legal" defense is totally wrong.  This is why we have Congressional oversight.  The President is granted powers, but he can abuse them in ways that are 100% illegal.

For example, the President has the power to grant ambassadorships.  If he says "Give me $2 million and I'll give you the ambassadorship" that's Bribery, and exactly the kind of thing the impeachment power is meant to address.

Sounds like you will be happy winning this battle yet losing the war (no impeachment)

I will be happy when the story matches the facts; Trump set up a side deal using shady channels set up by Giuliani and his now indicted pals in order to use military aid to extort US allies into publicly smearing his political opponent.  That's the story that is only becoming more clear as these proceedings move forward.

If Republicans in the House and Senate choose to vote against impeachment of Trump despite his committing clearly impeachable criminal offenses, that is their choice.  The American people have the right to clearly see that this is the choice being made.

[kiidcarter8]

I will be happy when the story matches the facts; Trump set up a side deal using shady channels set up by Giuliani and his now indicted pals in order to use military aid to extort US allies into publicly smearing his political opponent. 


Why didnt it happen?

[NeedsAdjustments]

I will be happy when the story matches the facts; Trump set up a side deal using shady channels set up by Giuliani and his now indicted pals in order to use military aid to extort US allies into publicly smearing his political opponent. 


Why didnt it happen?

Their scheme was exposed right before it happened, kiidcarter8.  Zelensky's interview with Zakaria was scheduled.

[barton]

Because they were caught doing it.   When it came to light in early September, and it was clear why aid was being witheld, then Trump's team told him needed to release the aid money immediately.   

Attempted extortion is still, legally, a crime. 

[NeedsAdjustments]

Because they were caught doing it.   When it came to light in early September, and it was clear why aid was being witheld, then Trump's team told him needed to release the aid money immediately.   

Attempted extortion is still, legally, a crime.

And Bribery is bribery on the attempt.  There is no Attempted Bribery charge.

[bodiddley]

And while we are all focused on Trump's criminality in one arena today, lets not forget how he sold US foreign policy in Syria to Turkey, and what that means for our national security:

The Amazon/military cloud contract smells awfully bad.
Trump has frequently shown his disdain for WaPo, and seemingly shifted a huge contract away from Amazon in order to punish the owner of a major newspaper he doesn't like.

In normal times, this would be a big scandal and be investigated.

[kiidcarter8]

Trump has frequently shown his disdain for WaPo, and seemingly shifted a huge contract away from Amazon in order to punish the owner of a major newspaper he doesn't like.


Niiiiice.

[NeedsAdjustments]

In normal times, this would be a big scandal and be investigated.

For Trump its a Tuesday.

[LarryBnDC]

Exactly what I said would happen:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/it-doesnt-matter-house-republicans-embrace-quid-pro-quo

A House GOP aide described the change in messaging this way: “It has gone from: ‘There is no quid pro quo,’ to: ‘There’s a quid and a quo but not a pro,’ to 'Even if there was a quid pro quo, it’s not that bad, this is just how things are done — you can say it’s bad, but it’s not impeachable.”

The Dead Parrot Sketch...

[kiidcarter8]

Wow.  It's amazing how dumb Devin Nunes is.

How so?

[LarryBnDC]

Wow.  It's amazing how dumb Devin Nunes is.

How so?

Someone throw this guy a fish...

[Yankguy1]

Paraphrasing: You're only here Mr. Sunderland so the Democrats can smear you.

It's pretty apparent that Nunes couldn't be bothered to read Sunderland's statement

[NeedsAdjustments]

Wow.  It's amazing how dumb Devin Nunes is.

How so?

How about when he woke up when under Castor’s questioning Sondland mentioned the whistleblower report and started rambling about how they needed to question the whistleblower to know what his complaint was, when, uh, the whistleblower’s complaint was written down for everyone to read.  That was the very thing Sondland was referring to.