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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[facilitatorn]

http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/trump-impeachment-ukraine-guide-evidence.html

[kiidcarter8]

"No man has a right to raise a hand to a woman - EXCEPT IN SELF DEFENSE"

- Uncle Joe, 11/20/18

Wrong again.

Yes.  Best change the subject.

Yep.

This one's done.  You guys get what you want - circus stays in town a little longer (even if not unanimous on Dem side).

Thankfully though a break in between - maybe some governing can get done.

[Hairy Lime]

"No man has a right to raise a hand to a woman - EXCEPT IN SELF DEFENSE"

- Uncle Joe, 11/20/18

Wrong again.

Yes.  Best change the subject.

Yep.

This one's done.  You guys get what you want - circus stays in town a little longer (even if not unanimous on Dem side).

Thankfully though a break in between - maybe some governing can get done.

Dems have been governing all along. everything  dies in the senate.

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"No man has a right to raise a hand to a woman - EXCEPT IN SELF DEFENSE"

- Uncle Joe, 11/20/18

Wrong again.

Yes.  Best change the subject.

Yep.

This one's done.  You guys get what you want - circus stays in town a little longer (even if not unanimous on Dem side).

Thankfully though a break in between - maybe some governing can get done.

Dems have been governing all along. everything  dies in the senate.

And of course, the Senate itself has done what exactly in this same period of time?

For that matter, what legislation is getting proposed or pushed from the Executive Branch?

What has Trump done in the last six month beside propose an e-cigarette ban, which he would later fold on?

GOP is always so adept at projecting their own shortcomings on others.

[josh]

Nunes in his opening gives Josh a whole new set of statements for him to say without explanation Dems have already rebuffed.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/devin-nunes-opening-remarks-impeachment-hearing/index.html

Or for you to claim are true without any evidence. But one thing Nunes said was true. There were Democrats who said from day one that they wanted to impeach Trump.

Mind you, he neglected to mention his colleagues who promised to do the same to a President H.R. Clinton, given the chance.

And unlike Clinton, we now have very blatant evidence that Trump and his team lied their heads off before he took office (as well as after). The Moscow Trump Tower is reason enough for suspicion.

[josh]

and what led Sondland to that opinion?  Good luck with your research.

You really think Trump has no care of the Ukraine?

Given your calling it "the Ukraine," I think you have no care about Ukraine.

I think Trump only cares about it to the extent that it gives him some opportunity.

[josh]

and what led Sondland to that opinion?  Good luck with your research.

You really think Trump has no care of the Ukraine?

Barton?

Trump gives two shits for no one but Trump.

Maybe his children.

He's seemed particularly fond of Ivanka from time to time over the years, based on the photos.

[josh]

Trump is of course in favor of ending the corruption in Ukraine.  And bolstering their military.

That explains why his conversations with Ukraine's president never mentioned corruption.

And before the aid was held up, Ukraine had already been certified as meeting the anti-corruption requirements we (the US) had set for them.

Besides, bolstering their military means giving weapon to Putin if Russia rolls (again).

[josh]

Fiona Hill was awesome.


Impressive motor mouth

We had the Brit and the Bot today

Can't deny the message, mock the speech patterns.

Classy, Kid, really classy.

No wonder you like Trump so much!

[josh]

Trump was making Ukraine corrupt again in order to serve his domestic political interests.  He is "of course" in favor of ending corruption there?  You are totally and completely lost.


heh

No.

“I ran one election and I won, happened to be for president,” said Trump. “I don’t care politically. I’m going to run another election, I think I’m winning based on polls that we see. Whether I win or not, I have to do the right thing. I don’t do things for political reasons...”



https://news.yahoo.com/trump-obama-putin-russia-crimea-annexation-g7-172034972.html

And you, as ever, pretend that his saying it makes it so.

Troll.

[josh]

"No man has a right to raise a hand to a woman - EXCEPT IN SELF DEFENSE"

- Uncle Joe, 11/20/18

Wrong again.

Oh? What part of that do you object to.

That was not the part of that little speech that I objected to.

[josh]

https://rollingout.com/2015/12/03/racist-police-in-alabama-planted-drugs-and-guns-on-over-1000-innocent-black-men/?fbclid=IwAR2i1Ej6-H9v5owDIm5e15b7W5cm15dm9DWzuZEatpxSidRzU8FUOoAWiBI

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fbi-fisa-russia-investigation/index.html

Did this attorney alter a document in the Russia probe and if so did it have an impact on getting a FISA warrant?

[REDSTATEWARD]

According to Nielsen  6.5 million viewers tuned in to watch Yesterday’s MSNBC democrat debate in Atlanta, ( 1.6 million in the advertiser coveted 25-54 demo) a marked downturn from the 8.5 million viewers that CNN earned from the October 15th debate(2.4 million from the target 25-54 demo).

The most watched debate so far was The second day of NBC’s two-day affair in June, the first debate, which drew18 million overall viewers, from which more than 5 million were in the target demo.

To put it mildly, yesterday America shrugged.

[NeedsAdjustments]

Trump is of course in favor of ending the corruption in Ukraine.  And bolstering their military.

That explains why his conversations with Ukraine's president never mentioned corruption.

And before the aid was held up, Ukraine had already been certified as meeting the anti-corruption requirements we (the US) had set for them.

It would seem fine and perfectly appropriate to hold up aid if the “president” was concerned about corruption even beyond the requirements set by the State Dept.  That would be all good.

What would be strange would be to hold up the aid for this reason and not tell anyone.  Not Congress (despite their repeatedly asking) and not the Ukrainians themselves (despite their repeatedly asking.) 

There is no documented ask from the Trump Administration saying effectively “We are holding up your aid until you address corruption.”  Wouldn’t there be?  All other examples that Republicans keep pointing to when aid is held up for national interests, I imagine that those national interests were communicated with the parties involved. 

Yet for some reason the only communication to the Ukrainians when meetings with the WH and military aid came up were about investigations of Trump’s political opponents related to the 2016 and 2020 elections. 

Huh.

And then they try to argue no Quid Pro Quo on the aid because Trump never explicitly made the connection.  What the hell else were the Ukrainians supposed to think?