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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24405 on: December 03, 2019, 08:19:33 PM »

http://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1201963515692638209

Not a twitter fan, but that was pretty interesting, and it's disturbingly plausible. The Biden thing was serendipitous, it all started before he entered the race and was about creating a counter-narrative to what Mueller was discovering about Russia.   
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24406 on: December 03, 2019, 08:31:30 PM »

More voters are against removing Trump now  than there were when Schiff’s investigation began.

False:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/
Wrong.

I love it.

You make a claim without a citation.

Why would I refute the chart cited that proved me right?


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24407 on: December 03, 2019, 08:39:52 PM »

From the failing New York Times:

"Mr. Trump also told reporters on Tuesday that he did not know anything about Jeremy Corbyn, the main rival of Prime Minister Boris Johnson in the upcoming election.

“Jeremy Corbyn?” Mr. Trump said. “Know nothing about him.”

But the president had given an opinion on Mr. Corbyn as recently as last month, on a London-based radio show.

“Corbyn would be so bad for your country, he’d be so bad, he’d take you in such a bad way,” Mr. Trump said. “He’d take you into such bad places.”


Tara and Dan are better
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24408 on: December 03, 2019, 09:00:02 PM »

http://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1201963515692638209

The tweet sequence starts:
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Why is no one noting that Trump, Pompeo, Giuliani, Nunes, Solomon, Parnas, Lutsenko, and Fruman began their plotting AT A TIME WHEN they didn't know if Mueller would take down Trump? The evidence shows Trump began this scheme when he learned he was being investigated over Russia.

Clearly, somebody is!
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« Reply #24409 on: December 03, 2019, 09:37:38 PM »

More voters are against removing Trump now  than there were when Schiff’s investigation began.

False:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/
Wrong.

I love it.

You make a claim without a citation.

Why would I refute the chart cited that proved me right?

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On the evening of September 24, 2019, Pelosi announced that six committees of the House of Representatives would undertake a formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump. Pelosi accused Trump of betraying his oath of office, U.S. national security, and the integrity of the country's elections.[144][85][1] The six committees charged with the task are the committees on Financial Services, the Judiciary, Intelligence, Foreign Affairs, Oversight and Reform, and Ways and Means.

Maguire, who had delayed the whistleblower complaint from reaching Congress, testified publicly before the House Intelligence Committee on September 26, 2019.

0.9% more supported impeachment that day than opposed it.

Yeah, "proves me right," says Ward.

Linick testified on Oct. 2nd. 1.6% more support impeachment.

Volker testified on Oct. 3rd. 1.7% more.

Atkinson testified on Oct. 4th.
Also, Pompeo's document subpoena deadline passed on the 4th. Still 1.7% more.

Oct. 5th, support for impeachment up to 3.0% more.

Oct. 6th, support for impeachment up to 6.1% more.

And you think the chart supports you!

LOL!!!!!!!

I am sure you will pour through the dates, seeking an excuse to choose one that will "prove" you right.

But it will just be more of your usual BS, Ward.

And you know it.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24410 on: December 03, 2019, 09:56:05 PM »

12/3/2019 9:50 pm

Hannity Breaking News!

Bill Clinton tied to Jeffrey Epstein!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24411 on: December 03, 2019, 10:06:44 PM »

It’s a reflex, like Red yelling “wrong”. It’s a tell the rat feels cornered.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24412 on: December 03, 2019, 10:35:56 PM »

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24414 on: December 03, 2019, 11:40:52 PM »

https://reut.rs/2sGJqgK?fbclid=IwAR34Wb799gyzxxM1J6tOxswtFQVo2OnVft6yULp7Sd0zunIfNyCAxExm1fk

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"(Reuters) - The U.S. solar industry warned on Tuesday that the Trump administration’s tariffs on imported panels will cost the United States 62,000 jobs and $19 billion (£14.81 billion) in investment, an estimate the White House dismissed as “fake news”.

"The industry’s top trade group, the U.S. Solar Industries Association (SEIA), said the lost investment equated to 10.5 gigawatts in missed solar energy installations, enough to power about 1.8 million homes..."
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24416 on: December 04, 2019, 04:44:42 AM »

Sums up Trump, the GOP "leadership," and followers like Kid and Ward perfectly!

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24417 on: December 04, 2019, 07:08:54 AM »

I like Kamala.  She has some toughness and shrewdness.

I thought this cycle was a bit too early for her, as she hasn't been on the national scene long.  So as an introduction to a young up-and-comer, this campaign was reasonably successful for her (much more so than for Cory Booker for example, who seemed mostly out of his depth).

It seemed she never found a message or theme to stick with.
Seems she tried to blend progressive and centrist concerns.
Maybe she should have staked her claim on that.  That she wasn't a GOP-lite centrist, but also wasn't Far Left Socialist.  Make a case that she represented the common-sense mainstream Democratic Left.  Seems there was an opening there.  I'm surprised nobody really rode that message.  I guess Beto tried to wedge in there somewhat as well.

A good deal of the Kamala campaign post-mortem centers on the management structure of her campaign.  She had her sister and campaign manager as dual centers of top authority.  And since they weren't fully on the same page that didn't work well.  And most naturally felt the sister was more powerful and closer to the candidate than the campaign manager.  The camp-man also was the head of her polling firm, so when calls came to replace him, one concern was the serious friction with her polling.  Btw, polling seems to back in a big way.
Kamala also split power centers between Cali and Baltimore, for whatever reason.

Anyway, these problems are fixable.  I think mostly she presented herself well.  But never had a real message or coherent strategy.
I liked when she went after Biden on busing, though she muddled things  few days later.  Similarly, Booker did well attacking Biden on the harsh 90's crime bill, both trying to weaken black support for Biden (and draw it to their candidacies).

Kamala needs to decide how to present her federal prosecutor career (and herself) in the future.  Embrace it as a core identity?  Refer to it some as her ability to be tough but fair?  Focus instead on her personal story and political career (I have no idea what bills she has sponsored or committees she serves on).  Often a problem for senators -- what the hell do they do or accomplish, along with the many political votes that can be sifted and denounced).

I still think Kamala could be heard form again, s a Veep for an old white male like Bidne or Bernie.  Problem is Biden is already in good with blacks (not sure how he polls with women) and she attacked him in the one debate.  But a young woman on the ticket would balance out Biden nicely.

Not sure who Sanders might tap. 
Actually never gave it thought since I always thought his chances were rather low.  Sanders seems like the type to pick someone close to his positions, so I guess Warren would be the obvious choice.   He could certainly benefit from adding in youth or someone form the Midwest (Mayor Pete?), but after the heart attack, probably want someone experienced and ready to step in.  A Vermont-Mass ticket would be a little odd, but perhaps geographical concerns take a backseat to all the issues and personalities involved.   Personally, I'd vote for a Sanders-Krugman or Sanders-Chomsky ticket, but I guess I'd vote for a Sanders-OJSimpson ticket over Trump.

That's the long form of saying I hope Kamala is the Veep.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24418 on: December 04, 2019, 08:22:33 AM »

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/politics/world-leaders-joke-about-donald-trump-nato/index.html

I wouldn't make a note of this because it isn't really surprising.  Other world leaders are laughing at Trump?  Hardly surprising.  We all do, he is a clown.

But Trump himself made the "Other countries are laughing at Obama behind his back" a major critique without any evidence that it was true.  He claimed "When I'm in charge other countries will need to take us seriously!"  why?  I don't know, because he is such a "tough guy" I guess.

Well, here they are, laughing at him behind his back.  No one can believe how big an idiot he is.  Even Boris Johnson is happily getting into it!

Maybe we as Americans can take some solace in this.  More likely our allies will allow these four years to pass away into a memory hole if they can laugh about it.  Put the real damage Trump has done to the world behind us. 

We can hope.

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« Reply #24419 on: December 04, 2019, 08:30:50 AM »

That's the long form of saying I hope Kamala is the Veep.

Could be the reason she dropped out when she did.  So that she would be up for VP consideration.  And I could see a Biden going with her as his choice (attacks during the primaries I think immaterial) for the same reasons McCain went with Palin (though obviously Biden would be bringing someone on with a brain who won't singlehandedly drag US politics into the gutter)

Question might be if Harris is the base exciter Palin was.  Part of the reason Harris didn't catch fire is, obviously, she isn't.  And the old white guy going with the young black woman for his running mate strikes me as transparent.

Warren would be a better fit to play that part but of course she will be going too far through the process for that to happen (if she doesn't win, of course) and may not be her ambition anyway.
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"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020
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