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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24495 on: December 05, 2019, 12:28:35 PM »

Why did the republicans put a moron scumbag in charge?


YOU did.  You're proud of the melting pot, right? 

So you are to blame for Trump if you are NOT a white nationalist?

That is a unique take.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24496 on: December 05, 2019, 12:31:06 PM »

As one whose Student Loan debt exceeds the Gross National Product of many nations, I would happily accept loan forgiveness.  At the same time, I don't think it's the world's greatest idea.

It’s the price tag that is scary, maybe, but the idea of fully subsidizing student loans up to a certain amount for poor and middle class people is not outlandish, is it?  Tax code currently has programs that hand out money to the working poor to encourage people to get jobs.  Why can’t we hand out money to the educated poor to encourage people to get educated?

And as LarryBnDC said, the economic stimulus would be Yuuuge!  Way Yuuuuger than the 2 Trillion we just spent on corporate tax cuts.

More sneakers and I phones for all

Yes.

And more new cars purchases.

More first time home buyers.

More babies.

All things that would boost the economy.
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« Reply #24497 on: December 05, 2019, 12:31:52 PM »

Some will let you to believe homelessness has nothing to do with the alien influx of recent decades. No health benefits, lower wages for high labor jobs, social services strained to the seams. Now that the border crossings have been tightened unemployment is low.

---Goldman Sachs expects unemployment rate to drop to lowest level since Korean War---

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/goldman-sachs-says-unemployment-rate-to-drop-to-lowest-since-korean-war/

The elitist argument seems to be we can now afford to reopen the gates, huh! Bringing in tens of millions of central Americans actually improves diversity, huh!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24498 on: December 05, 2019, 12:46:44 PM »

So every country in the world understands and believes in climate change.  Almost every credible scientist is convinced as well.
LOL! That’s a good one.

Hello.  The debate ended some time ago.  Sea levels started to rise, glaciers receded, Antarctic ice sheet shrank, Greenland ditto, Northwest Passage opening up, Alaska pack ice vanished in summer, ocean pH rose, coral reefs bleached and died, inland temps rose 1.5 to 2 degrees F. with a 1.0 F. rise overall, severity of tropical cyclones rising, permafrost melting, etc.  It's happening now, you incredible fucking imbecile.  There's no more "let's see if these climate models are actually correct...." because even models going back to Svante Arrhenius around 1900, projecting rapid global warming, have proven roughly correct.  The only debate is how fast, and what positive feedback loops ("tipping points" in popular parlance) will kick in.  You IFI.  Take your pseudoscience conspiracy theories and stick them up your ass. 

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24499 on: December 05, 2019, 12:54:35 PM »

Oh, and in case anyone wants to try the "the globe actually cooled from 1940 to 1970," let me just nip that in the bud.  When industrial countries were pumping out sulfur dioxide in huge amounts, the steady rise in temps did stop for a while, because sulfur compounds in the air create a cooling haze.  That's why major volcanic events are often followed by a cooler than normal year, as sulfur compounds shot into the stratosphere have a temporary cooling effect until they are precipitated out of the air.  Around 1970, several environmental agencies in major industrial countries (in response to the damages from acid rain, caused by S02 in the air), banned the high-sulfur fuels and required stack controls, which greatly reduced SO2 output.  As a result, S02 rapidly dropped, and the Keeling curve quickly reasserted itself and temps began rising again.  And no, bringing back acid rain would not be a good solution to GW.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24500 on: December 05, 2019, 01:25:41 PM »

Number 2, in particular.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-impeachment/2014/08/01/1f00f4ea-1808-11e4-9e3b-7f2f110c6265_story.html

By Jonathan TurleyAugust 1, 2014
Jonathan Turley, the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University, has testified in Congress about impeachment and served as lead defense counsel for Judge Thomas Porteous in his Senate impeachment trial.

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1. An impeachable offense is anything Congress says it is.

People pushing for President Obama’s impeachment have cited rationales ranging from the border crisis to Benghazi to Obamacare to the dismantling of “our constitutional republic, our national security, our electoral system, our economic strength, our rights and liberties.” In other words, anything goes. This echoes the characterization by Gerald Ford, who as House minority leader in 1970 made the ill-considered statement that “an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.” (This interpretation was, not surprisingly, part of a frivolous effort to impeach Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas, whom Ford denounced for espousing “liberal opinions,” for defending the “filthy” Swedish film “I Am Curious (Yellow)” and for writing a magazine article that “praises the lusty, lurid, and risque along with the social protest of left-wing folk singers.”)

But Congress’s exclusive power to impeach does not license it to abuse that power, any more than the Supreme Court’s final say on laws gives it license to deliver arbitrary rulings. The framers carefully defined the grounds for impeachment as “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors” — language with British legal precedent. They clearly did not want removal of the president subject to congressional whim. Indeed, they rejected the addition of “maladministration” after James Madison cautioned that “so vague a term will be equivalent to a tenure during pleasure of the Senate.”

It is the standard that justifies the power, not the inverse, as Ford saw it. The fact that only two presidents have been impeached, and none have been removed, suggests that most members of Congress take the impeachment standard seriously.

2. An impeachable offense must involve a violation of criminal law.

While there’s a high bar for what constitutes grounds for impeachment, an offense does not have to be indictable. Serious misconduct or a violation of public trust is enough. Madison saw impeachment as “defending the community against the incapacity, negligence or perfidy of the chief magistrate.” And the founders emphasized that impeachments were about what happened in the political arena: involving “political crimes and misdemeanors” and resulting in “political punishments.”

So consider the $454 million Obama shifted out of the Affordable Care Act’s Prevention and Public Health Fund. He wouldn’t have to pocket that money to warrant impeachment. But he’d have to do more than he did: redirect it to another purpose without congressional approval and offer a faulty interpretation of the act. If the president were to openly defy clear federal authority and order unlawful acts, he would move from the realm of using arguable discretion to that of being a danger to the system as a whole.

3. History establishes a clear precedent for impeachable conduct.

Regrettably, this is also untrue. Bill Clinton was impeached primarily for criminal conduct: lying under oath and misleading a federal grand jury about his affair with Monica Lewinsky. Nixon would have been impeached for a wide array of criminal acts, as well as abuses of power.


President Andrew Johnson’s impeachment in 1868 may be the most relevant to the current controversy. Like Obama, Johnson was accused of unconstitutional executive appointments, misuse of federal funds and violating federal law. Most significantly, he replaced Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton in open defiance of the Tenure of Office Act — a law passed over his veto and later found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. The feeble merits of his impeachment were captured best in the 10th article, charging Johnson with delivering three speeches that disrespected Congress.

4. Impeaching a president is like recalling a governor.

Many people discuss impeachment as a way to express dissatisfaction or as a mechanism allowing for a change in leadership. “Impeachment is no more or less than the recall of an elected official who isn’t up to the job,” conservative columnists Floyd and Mary Beth Brown wrote. “Obama deserves recall much more than Gov. Gray Davis, and he was replaced by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in a special recall election Oct. 7, 2003, in California.”


In Britain and other parliamentary systems, the legislature can end the term of a head of government early with a no-confidence vote, showing that he or she has lost the support of the country. But the United States rejected that approach in favor of greater stability and the predictability of a four-year presidential term.

It doesn’t matter that polls show more than 50 percent of Americans disapprove of the job Obama is doing. Unpopularity is not an impeachable offense. And impeachment was not designed as relief for voter remorse.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24501 on: December 05, 2019, 01:42:56 PM »

As one whose Student Loan debt exceeds the Gross National Product of many nations, I would happily accept loan forgiveness.  At the same time, I don't think it's the world's greatest idea.

It’s the price tag that is scary, maybe, but the idea of fully subsidizing student loans up to a certain amount for poor and middle class people is not outlandish, is it?  Tax code currently has programs that hand out money to the working poor to encourage people to get jobs.  Why can’t we hand out money to the educated poor to encourage people to get educated?

And as LarryBnDC said, the economic stimulus would be Yuuuge!  Way Yuuuuger than the 2 Trillion we just spent on corporate tax cuts.

More sneakers and I phones for all

Yes.

And more new cars purchases.

More first time home buyers.

More babies.

All things that would boost the economy.

You know all the brothers are only gonna spend more money on Jordan’s, IPhnes and 40s...
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24502 on: December 05, 2019, 01:46:19 PM »

Some will let you to believe homelessness has nothing to do with the alien influx of recent decades. No health benefits, lower wages for high labor jobs, social services strained to the seams. Now that the border crossings have been tightened unemployment is low.

---Goldman Sachs expects unemployment rate to drop to lowest level since Korean War---

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/goldman-sachs-says-unemployment-rate-to-drop-to-lowest-since-korean-war/

The elitist argument seems to be we can now afford to reopen the gates, huh! Bringing in tens of millions of central Americans actually improves diversity, huh!

Alien influx?

You mean like Starship Troopers?

The homelessness of recent decades dates back to the closing of state mental hospitals rather than fixing the broken system.

Once the mental health system broke down the problem cascaded.

The system broke because of conservative policies.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24503 on: December 05, 2019, 01:48:10 PM »

So every country in the world understands and believes in climate change.  Almost every credible scientist is convinced as well.
LOL! That’s a good one.

Hello.  The debate ended some time ago.  Sea levels started to rise, glaciers receded, Antarctic ice sheet shrank, Greenland ditto, Northwest Passage opening up, Alaska pack ice vanished in summer, ocean pH rose, coral reefs bleached and died, inland temps rose 1.5 to 2 degrees F. with a 1.0 F. rise overall, severity of tropical cyclones rising, permafrost melting, etc.  It's happening now, you incredible fucking imbecile.  There's no more "let's see if these climate models are actually correct...." because even models going back to Svante Arrhenius around 1900, projecting rapid global warming, have proven roughly correct.  The only debate is how fast, and what positive feedback loops ("tipping points" in popular parlance) will kick in.  You IFI.  Take your pseudoscience conspiracy theories and stick them up your ass.
Gee.  And here we are in 2019, largest world population ever, the poverty rate at its lowest point ever, globalization, abundance of food, while all the while adapting to changing environments.
But carry on Chicken Little.  The rest of us will do just fine. We always do.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24504 on: December 05, 2019, 01:53:53 PM »

So then why post here?  You've got your good life, you've got your tax cut.  Why bother with all the chicken littles?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24505 on: December 05, 2019, 01:54:43 PM »

So every country in the world understands and believes in climate change.  Almost every credible scientist is convinced as well.
LOL! That’s a good one.

Hello.  The debate ended some time ago.  Sea levels started to rise, glaciers receded, Antarctic ice sheet shrank, Greenland ditto, Northwest Passage opening up, Alaska pack ice vanished in summer, ocean pH rose, coral reefs bleached and died, inland temps rose 1.5 to 2 degrees F. with a 1.0 F. rise overall, severity of tropical cyclones rising, permafrost melting, etc.  It's happening now, you incredible fucking imbecile.  There's no more "let's see if these climate models are actually correct...." because even models going back to Svante Arrhenius around 1900, projecting rapid global warming, have proven roughly correct.  The only debate is how fast, and what positive feedback loops ("tipping points" in popular parlance) will kick in.  You IFI.  Take your pseudoscience conspiracy theories and stick them up your ass.
Gee.  And here we are in 2019, largest world population ever, the poverty rate at its lowest point ever, globalization, abundance of food, while all the while adapting to changing environments.
But carry on Chicken Little.  The rest of us will do just fine. We always do.

Except those who've already lost homes or lives to it or will in the future.

Ostrich.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24506 on: December 05, 2019, 01:57:50 PM »


• The Earth is heated by the flux of energy it receives from the Sun, and cools down by emitting infrared radiation to space.

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Simple really, no degree from Harvard needed for this one either.

Sunlight heats ground.   Heat, longwave radiation, then radiates back to space.  A pure nitrogen and oxygen atmosphere would let all that IR radiation pass through.  Some molecules, however, like nitrogen oxide, methane, and CO2, absorb longwave photons and increase their rate of vibration.   This increase in kinetic energy is called "heat"  -- those molecules are thus retaining energy that would otherwise escape into space.  As these molecules are singularly good at trapping heat, they cause a rise in near-surface temperatures when their concentrations go up.   Basic physics and chemistry.  High school students do basic experiments, like Tyndall's 1859 experiment that easily demonstrate this effect.   

The last 150 years of science have advanced our knowledge of how this works, as well as proved other principles on which you daily assert your unquestioning faith when you step aboard a jet, take a pill, drive a car, flip on your tv, log onto the Net, etc.   Why then does this basic 19th century science pose such a problem?

Because people are lying to you, by misrepresenting science and its findings.


Then in that case, it's too late.
Carbon emissions are only going to keep on increasing from now until at least 2100...no matter what.
Overpopulation, which no one wants to know about.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24507 on: December 05, 2019, 02:02:40 PM »

So every country in the world understands and believes in climate change.  Almost every credible scientist is convinced as well.
LOL! That’s a good one.

Hello.  The debate ended some time ago.  Sea levels started to rise, glaciers receded, Antarctic ice sheet shrank, Greenland ditto, Northwest Passage opening up, Alaska pack ice vanished in summer, ocean pH rose, coral reefs bleached and died, inland temps rose 1.5 to 2 degrees F. with a 1.0 F. rise overall, severity of tropical cyclones rising, permafrost melting, etc.  It's happening now, you incredible fucking imbecile.  There's no more "let's see if these climate models are actually correct...." because even models going back to Svante Arrhenius around 1900, projecting rapid global warming, have proven roughly correct.  The only debate is how fast, and what positive feedback loops ("tipping points" in popular parlance) will kick in.  You IFI.  Take your pseudoscience conspiracy theories and stick them up your ass.
Gee.  And here we are in 2019, largest world population ever, the poverty rate at its lowest point ever, globalization, abundance of food, while all the while adapting to changing environments.
But carry on Chicken Little.  The rest of us will do just fine. We always do.

Except those who've already lost homes or lives to it or will in the future.

Ostrich.

Typical REDSTATEWARD.  He LOL!s a comment.  Then when challenged his response has nothing to do with that original comment, but itself contains a whole new set of falsehoods to address.  While the original falsehood drops by the wayside.

This is how he tricks himself into thinking he is actually contributing to a debate.
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« Reply #24508 on: December 05, 2019, 02:03:11 PM »

So then why post here?  You've got your good life, you've got your tax cut.  Why bother with all the chicken littles?

Red needs to be carjacked by a hungry family so he can have his come to Jesus moment.

The closing of mental health facilities was a big factor in homelessness, but the housing crash, the opioid epidemic, and the fact that more than half the jobs in the country keep their workers poor and housing insecure through low pay are taking the problem to a much larger scale.

It’s one of the key factors in why we must extinguish the republican party.

Fortunately, Putin gave them a leader who is driving them straight to their doom.

http://www.dcreport.org/2019/12/05/congress-takes-a-law-school-class-in-the-capitol/
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« Reply #24509 on: December 05, 2019, 02:04:19 PM »

As one whose Student Loan debt exceeds the Gross National Product of many nations, I would happily accept loan forgiveness.  At the same time, I don't think it's the world's greatest idea.

It’s the price tag that is scary, maybe, but the idea of fully subsidizing student loans up to a certain amount for poor and middle class people is not outlandish, is it?  Tax code currently has programs that hand out money to the working poor to encourage people to get jobs.  Why can’t we hand out money to the educated poor to encourage people to get educated?

And as LarryBnDC said, the economic stimulus would be Yuuuge!  Way Yuuuuger than the 2 Trillion we just spent on corporate tax cuts.

More sneakers and I phones for all

Yes.

And more new cars purchases.

More first time home buyers.

More babies.

All things that would boost the economy.

You know all the brothers are only gonna spend more money on Jordan’s, IPhnes and 40s...

Republican politics stopped evolving in the 80's.
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