Escape from Elba

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Poll

The vaccine for the novel coronavirus should be

available to all Americans
- 4 (100%)
available only to Americans who can afford $3000 or whose insurance covers it
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 4

Voting closed: March 04, 2020, 12:32:27 PM


Pages: 1 ... 1655 1656 [1657] 1658 1659 ... 3083

Author Topic: Trump Administration  (Read 474092 times)

facilitatorn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5659
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24840 on: December 10, 2019, 03:44:03 PM »

Red only sticks his tongue up the ass of the best people.
Logged
"I don’t respect the manner in which he has carried out the presidency." - Sally Yates

REDSTATEWARD

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3063
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24841 on: December 10, 2019, 03:44:22 PM »

Uh huh.   No one has denied that Horowitz found errors in the FISA app.   Doesn't invalidate the major findings of his report I just shared with you.
The “ major” findings?
The “ low threshold” needed to open an investigation?
But findings by the same IG uncovers blatant lies and false information to perpetuate that investigation are not “ major” to you?
Logged

REDSTATEWARD

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3063
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24842 on: December 10, 2019, 03:45:37 PM »


Let us all know when you get to Koch Industries that were taken over by Charles and David in 1983. and its subsequent investment strategies.
it might take more time that your hurried previous Google search.

Not hurried.  Been aware of the Koch family since the 1960s, when we lived in Wichita.  Sure, they've done a fair amount of whitewashing and laundering since the 80s.  Dave sponsors "Nova"!  Woohoo.   Meanwhile the dark money flows.  And flows.
And flows where?
Logged

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3003
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24843 on: December 10, 2019, 03:57:59 PM »

Uh huh.   No one has denied that Horowitz found errors in the FISA app.   Doesn't invalidate the major findings of his report I just shared with you.
The “ major” findings?
The “ low threshold” needed to open an investigation?
But findings by the same IG uncovers blatant lies and false information to perpetuate that investigation are not “ major” to you?

Bark bark bark.

The FBI omitted information re: the Steel Dossier that should have been included in the FISA warrants as part of their application to continue the Carter Page surveillance.  Not to "perpetuate the investigation."

And the report makes clear that a) the Steele Dossier was not the only predicate for that surveillance and b) the report declines to say whether or not those omissions were material to the granting of those warrants.

And while this may be significant to reform FBI operations and the FISA process, it does not in any material way discount the validity of the investigation.  Which is exactly what the IG report says. 

This is why Nunes' memo was a dud when it finally dropped after we were promised a scandal bigger than watergate.  Its small fries compared to the enormity of what was being investigated.  And it is only being amplified again by Republicans (specifically, Barr) in a well timed attempt to distract from Ukraine. 
Logged
"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

facilitatorn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5659
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24844 on: December 10, 2019, 04:03:14 PM »


Let us all know when you get to Koch Industries that were taken over by Charles and David in 1983. and its subsequent investment strategies.
it might take more time that your hurried previous Google search.

Not hurried.  Been aware of the Koch family since the 1960s, when we lived in Wichita.  Sure, they've done a fair amount of whitewashing and laundering since the 80s.  Dave sponsors "Nova"!  Woohoo.   Meanwhile the dark money flows.  And flows.
And flows where?

The republican party, the US courts, and into programming schmucks like you.
Logged
"I don’t respect the manner in which he has carried out the presidency." - Sally Yates

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3003
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24845 on: December 10, 2019, 04:03:51 PM »

And if anyone still can't get a hold on the central lie here, note that Barr is out today repeating how the whole thing was "a completely bogus narrative that was largely fanned and hyped by a completely irresponsible press.”

You simply can not read the Mueller Report and honestly conclude that the investigation was "completely bogus."  Its a giveaway.  As I said this morning; honesty has gone out the window for this GOP.
Logged
"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3003
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24846 on: December 10, 2019, 04:05:11 PM »

Uh huh.   No one has denied that Horowitz found errors in the FISA app.   Doesn't invalidate the major findings of his report I just shared with you.
The “ major” findings?
The “ low threshold” needed to open an investigation?
But findings by the same IG uncovers blatant lies and false information to perpetuate that investigation are not “ major” to you?
English must be a foreign language to you.


I might have posted that response if I was feeling less generous to you.  Certainly would have been fair.  But I did not.
Logged
"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3003
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24847 on: December 10, 2019, 04:10:22 PM »

You simply can not read the Mueller Report and honestly conclude that the investigation was "completely bogus."

Or for that matter have paid any attention to the government's case against Roger Stone which I am assuming Barr is at least tangentially aware of.
Logged
"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

facilitatorn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5659
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24848 on: December 10, 2019, 04:12:44 PM »

Logged
"I don’t respect the manner in which he has carried out the presidency." - Sally Yates

LarryBnDC

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4440
    • View Profile
    • The Shinbone Star
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24849 on: December 10, 2019, 04:12:55 PM »

The House Democrats need to haul Barr’s ass in and make him explain “What the Fuck?”
Logged
“People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster.”
— James Baldwin

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3003
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24850 on: December 10, 2019, 04:20:07 PM »

The House Democrats need to haul Barr’s ass in and make him explain “What the Fuck?”

Lynch needed to recuse herself from the investigation into Clinton because of a five minute conversation with Clinton’s husband on the tarmac of an airport.

Barr is implicated specifically as part of the whistleblower complaint he tried to bury, and on the Trump-Zelenski call which have led to articles of impeachment and should be the subject of a special council investigation and I have yet to hear a single Democrat call for him to recuse himself. 

It’s insane how Democrats consistently get lapped by Republicans on messaging.  That shit isn’t that hard.
Logged
"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

barton

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3263
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24851 on: December 10, 2019, 04:26:10 PM »


Let us all know when you get to Koch Industries that were taken over by Charles and David in 1983. and its subsequent investment strategies.
it might take more time that your hurried previous Google search.

Not hurried.  Been aware of the Koch family since the 1960s, when we lived in Wichita.  Sure, they've done a fair amount of whitewashing and laundering since the 80s.  Dave sponsors "Nova"!  Woohoo.   Meanwhile the dark money flows.  And flows.
And flows where?

Tea party.
Union busting.
Science denial/distortion
ALEC (buying legislators and judges, buying immunity from penalties for polluting, promoting white nationalism and Islamophobia, dismantling public education..when even Dow Chem detects a bad odor and stops donating to them, Koch Foundation always comes through with more money...)
Citizens for a Sound Economy—which launched the effort to repeal Glass-Steagall protections keeping banks from gambling in securities.
Etc.

In 1980, you may recall that David Koch was the Libertarian candidate for VPOTUS.  The party’s plans included the abolition of Medicare, Medicaid, social security (to be made voluntary), the Department of Transportation, the Federal Aviation Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Energy, the Food and Drug Administration, and the Consumer Product Safety Commission.

The L party also sought to privatize all roads and highways, to privatize all schools, to privatize all mail delivery and, eventually, the repeal of all taxation.   Papa Fred liked to tell everyone that Eisenhower was a communist tool.   You heard that right.   Ike.  A Commie! 

But yeah, Kochs donated an exhibit at the NY Natural History museum....cause they're all about science...and the kids!   

Logged
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes. "

barton

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3263
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24852 on: December 10, 2019, 04:27:58 PM »

The House Democrats need to haul Barr’s ass in and make him explain “What the Fuck?”

Lynch needed to recuse herself from the investigation into Clinton because of a five minute conversation with Clinton’s husband on the tarmac of an airport.

Barr is implicated specifically as part of the whistleblower complaint he tried to bury, and on the Trump-Zelenski call which have led to articles of impeachment and should be the subject of a special council investigation and I have yet to hear a single Democrat call for him to recuse himself. 

It’s insane how Democrats consistently get lapped by Republicans on messaging.  That shit isn’t that hard.
Logged
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes. "

LarryBnDC

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4440
    • View Profile
    • The Shinbone Star
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24853 on: December 10, 2019, 04:55:53 PM »

The House Democrats need to haul Barr’s ass in and make him explain “What the Fuck?”

Lynch needed to recuse herself from the investigation into Clinton because of a five minute conversation with Clinton’s husband on the tarmac of an airport.

Barr is implicated specifically as part of the whistleblower complaint he tried to bury, and on the Trump-Zelenski call which have led to articles of impeachment and should be the subject of a special council investigation and I have yet to hear a single Democrat call for him to recuse himself. 

It’s insane how Democrats consistently get lapped by Republicans on messaging.  That shit isn’t that hard.

Harder than you think. The real world media is consumed with ‘both sides’ so it’s very easy for the GOP to just fucking lie and not get called on it consistently. They also lie constantly.

Their media operates on a separate plane of reality and it is all encompassing. GOP lies in our world, the reality based community, are gospel on Earth II.

Logged
“People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster.”
— James Baldwin

REDSTATEWARD

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3063
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24854 on: December 10, 2019, 05:26:00 PM »


Let us all know when you get to Koch Industries that were taken over by Charles and David in 1983. and its subsequent investment strategies.
it might take more time that your hurried previous Google search.

Not hurried.  Been aware of the Koch family since the 1960s, when we lived in Wichita.  Sure, they've done a fair amount of whitewashing and laundering since the 80s.  Dave sponsors "Nova"!  Woohoo.   Meanwhile the dark money flows.  And flows.
And flows where?

Tea party.
A Conservative movement based on the Kochs’ Libertarian ideals of free markets and limited government.
Quote
Union busting.
Like what
Quote
Science denial/distortion
Take a trip to the Museum of Natural History at the Smithsonian
Quote

ALEC (buying legislators and judges,
a non profit consortium of conservative lawmakers sharing ideas
Quote
buying immunity from penalties for polluting, promoting white nationalism and Islamophobia,
absurd
Quote
dismantling public education
advocating school choice is not dismantling public education  see  Cory Booker or Barack Obama.
Quote

Citizens for a Sound Economy
See Tea Party answer
Quote
In1980, you may recall that David Koch was the Libertarian candidate for VPOTUS.  The party’s plans included the abolition of Medicare, Medicaid, social security (to be made voluntary), the Department of Transportation, the Federal Aviation Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Energy, the Food and Drug Administration, and the Consumer Product Safety Commission.

The L party also sought to privatize all roads and highways, to privatize all schools, to privatize all mail delivery and, eventually, the repeal of all taxation.

How have the Libertarians fared with the voters?
« Last Edit: December 10, 2019, 06:29:30 PM by REDSTATEWARD »
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 1655 1656 [1657] 1658 1659 ... 3083