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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25875 on: January 05, 2020, 07:33:35 PM »

So if Iran launches a drone attack to kill Mark Esper,  what would be wrong with that?


I don't know - are we fiendishly plotting to kill innocent Iranians?
Are we planning a drone.strike somewhere?



Keep up.  There are 52 targets.  But only if they pull the trigger first.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25876 on: January 05, 2020, 08:01:04 PM »

So if Iran launches a drone attack to kill Mark Esper,  what would be wrong with that?


I don't know - are we fiendishly plotting to kill innocent Iranians?
Are we planning a drone.strike somewhere?



Keep up.  There are 54 targets.  But only if they pull the trigger first.
You should check the number of innocent civilians who have died in US drone attacks.

And I believe you mean "strike second".
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25877 on: January 05, 2020, 08:03:32 PM »

So if Iran launches a drone attack to kill Mark Esper,  what would be wrong with that?


I don't know - are we fiendishly plotting to kill innocent Iranians?
Are we planning a drone.strike somewhere?

What if Iran claims he is?.Then it is ok?

There is a reason why extrajudicial executions are always an issue.
What were the “ problems” in taking out Bin Laden?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25878 on: January 05, 2020, 08:23:01 PM »

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25879 on: January 05, 2020, 08:30:52 PM »

So if Iran launches a drone attack to kill Mark Esper,  what would be wrong with that?


I don't know - are we fiendishly plotting to kill innocent Iranians?
Are we planning a drone.strike somewhere?

What if Iran claims he is?.Then it is ok?

There is a reason why extrajudicial executions are always an issue.
What were the “ problems” in taking out Bin Laden?
The violation of Pakistani national sovereignty for one. The execution of a man who had not been convicted of anything. There are times when it is necessary. Carefully considered, limited, with the moral case carefully made.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25880 on: January 05, 2020, 08:37:52 PM »

What were the “ problems” in taking out Bin Laden?


Wasnt associated with a nation, so he was fair game
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25881 on: January 05, 2020, 08:40:06 PM »

So if Iran launches a drone attack to kill Mark Esper,  what would be wrong with that?


I don't know - are we fiendishly plotting to kill innocent Iranians?
Are we planning a drone.strike somewhere?

What if Iran claims he is?.Then it is ok?

There is a reason why extrajudicial executions are always an issue.
What were the “ problems” in taking out Bin Laden?
The violation of Pakistani national sovereignty for one. The execution of a man who had not been convicted of anything. There are times when it is necessary. Carefully considered, limited, with the moral case carefully made.
LOL!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25882 on: January 05, 2020, 08:42:43 PM »



No American can dispute that Soleimani created, supported and directed a network of terrorist organizations that spread havoc in the Middle East. In Syria he made it possible for the Assad regime to respond with brutality to its own people’s demands for freedom. More than 500,000 Syrians have died since 2011 and millions more have been displaced from their homes.

During the Iraq war, Soleimani oversaw three camps in Iran where his elite Quds Force trained and equipped Iraqi militias. According to the U.S. government, these fighters have killed more than 600 American soldiers since 2003. In another time, this would have been a just cause for an American war against Iran, and certainly for trying to eliminate Soleimani. Within Iran, the Quds Force has worked with the supreme leader to suppress freedom and economic opportunity, jail dissident politicians and journalists, and kill protesters in the streets.


From the perspective of American values and interests, it’s impossible to mourn the death of such a man, and Democrats haven’t. Their response thus far has been “Yes, but . . .,” adding worries that Soleimani’s death will provoke a violent response from Iran. Democrats have also suggested that the Trump administration has no coherent strategy toward Iran or that Mr. Trump shouldn’t have acted without notice to and permission from Congress.

Yet if we allow fear of a self-declared enemy like Iran to dictate our actions, we will only encourage them to come after us and our allies more aggressively. Some Democrats have said that killing Soleimani will lead us into war with Iran. In fact, Soleimani and the Quds Force have been at war with the U.S. for years. It is more likely that his death will diminish the chances of a wider conflict because the demonstration of our willingness to kill him will give Iranian leaders (and probably others like Kim Jong Un ) much to fear.

Some Democrats have also refused to appreciate Soleimani’s elimination because they say it isn’t part of an overall strategy for the region. But based on the public record, there is a strategy, beginning with the Trump administration’s withdrawal from the Iran nuclear agreement, the shift to maximum economic pressure, and now adding a demonstrated willingness to respond with military force to Iran’s provocations. The goal is to bring the Iranian government back into negotiations to end its nuclear weapons program and rejoin the world’s economy.

The claim by some Democrats that Mr. Trump had no authority to order this attack without congressional approval is constitutionally untenable and practically senseless. Authority to act quickly to eliminate a threat to the U.S. is inherent in the powers granted to the president by the Constitution. It defies common sense to argue that the president must notify Congress or begin a formal process of authorization before acting on an imminent threat.

On many occasions President Obama sensibly ordered drone strikes on dangerous terrorist leaders, including U.S.-born Anwar al-Awlaki. He did so without specific congressional authorization, and without significant Democratic opposition. Mr. Obama also “brought justice” to Osama bin Laden without prior, explicit congressional approval.

It is possible that anti-Trump partisanship isn’t behind Democrats’ reluctance to say they’re glad Soleimani is dead. It may be that today’s Democratic Party simply doesn’t believe in the use of force against America’s enemies in the world. I don’t believe that is true, but episodes like this one may lead many Americans to wonder whether it is. If enough voters decide that Democrats can’t be trusted to keep America safe, Mr. Trump won’t have much trouble winning a second term in November. That’s one more reason Democrats should leave partisan politics at “the water’s edge” and, whatever their opinion of President Trump on other matters, stand together against Iran and dangerous leaders like Qasem Soleimani.


Joe Lieberman, a Democrat, was a U.S. senator from Connecticut, 1989-2000, he was its nominee for Vice President of the United States in the 2000 election.
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« Reply #25883 on: January 05, 2020, 08:53:40 PM »

The claim by some Democrats that Mr. Trump had no authority to order this attack without congressional approval is constitutionally untenable and practically senseless. Authority to act quickly to eliminate a threat to the U.S. is inherent in the powers granted to the president by the Constitution. It defies common sense to argue that the president must notify Congress or begin a formal process of authorization before acting on an imminent threat.


Exactly.  It's like they never saw The West Wing.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25884 on: January 05, 2020, 09:00:16 PM »

I’m good with foreign actors targeting republican higher ups now that they are members of a terrorist criminal organization, as long as they can keep the killing of non combatants to a minimum.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25885 on: January 05, 2020, 09:10:13 PM »

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/iran-offers-dollar115-million-bounty-for-donald-trumps-head-after-death-of-general/ar-BBYDETn?li=AAgfYrC&OCID=AVRES000

Iran 'offers $115 million bounty for Donald Trump's head' after death of general [/1]

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No worries...offer $230 million bounty for the head of the Ayatollah on a plate...or video of him being blown to bits.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #25886 on: January 05, 2020, 09:42:40 PM »

You can't say that on the internet, Bambu.
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« Reply #25887 on: January 05, 2020, 09:55:10 PM »

I'm just going to start deleting your lies each time you post them.

Canberra's government agency handling the emergency closed down because the breathing was so bad.

"Business as usual?"

No.

It's great that it has not been destroyed, that Sydney has not been destroyed.

That's not "business as usual." It is fortunate that there is information about Australia that does not come from you, callous asshole.


12,350,000 acres have been burnt.

The city of Brisbane in QLD has not been destroyed, business as usual.
The city of Sydney NSW has not been destroyed, business as usual.
The city of Melbourne VIC has not been destroyed, business as usual.
The city of Hobart TAS has not been destroyed, business as usual.
The city of Adelaide SA has not been destroyed, business as usual.
The city of Perth WA has not been destroyed, business as usual.
The nation's capital Canberra ACT has not been destroyed, business as usual.

Most of the land that's been burnt is in rural/coast areas on the edges of bush/scrub/woods/wilderness/remote forests/mountains [call it whatever you like]...and in such bush/scrub/woods/wilderness/remote forests/mountains itself.
Very small towns/villages have been impacted.
Most of the people who've died were killed while "staying to defend their homes".
Most of the homes that have been destroyed were in the bush or on the edges of it, including in coastal hamlets/villages/very small towns. 
Australia is not a uninhabitable moonscape.

Yes, most of the land is not occupied. Yes, most of the homes were in small places. Nobody said otherwise except you, who claimed that the suburbs were untouched, let alone the cities.

But the cities are impacted, not just the "very small towns/villages."
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« Reply #25888 on: January 05, 2020, 10:00:08 PM »

Another is rule of law: we have established processes for how such things are to be handled. Trump chose to ignore the law. You seem to be fine with that.


Stop already...

You don't like it when the truth is pointed out to you?

Oh, poor widdle Kiddie.

Fucking deal with it, Kid. He BROKE THE LAW. Do you have any counter-argument to that, beyond "stop already?"

I didn't think so.

You think it's fine that he told Russia what he was doing before for the event, but not the so-called Gang of 8. And you want me to stop?! Such a joker.
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« Reply #25889 on: January 05, 2020, 10:00:25 PM »

A POX on Patricia Arquette
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