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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #29505 on: March 22, 2020, 02:20:55 AM »

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« Reply #29506 on: March 22, 2020, 05:23:53 AM »

The shape of things to come?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/19/with-pandemic-cover-netanyahu-is-carrying-out-coup-israel/

Hey, he needs to stay out of jail.  What is a prime minister to do?

It is worrisome, but instead of a full blown coup, it's only the dress rehearsal for one.  So maybe he's cancelled the courts for now, just before his trial, and his allies have temporarily closed parliament. 

The context: his opponent Gantz has 30 days to set up a governing coalition.  Which he probably can't do because his allies won't partner with the Arab-Israeli members who they need to constitute a majority.  So Netanhyahu is using coronavirus to shit down govt and stall.  Because while Gantz can't actually from a government, the anti-Netanyahu forces have 61/120 seats which would allow them to pass legislation that would 1) set term limits and 2) not allow any indicted official from being PM.  Which would crash Bibi's career into a brick wall.  So it's more a delaying tactic and thwarting gov't then a full-blown takeover/coup.  it's the kind of hardball we've seen form McConnell, where he just thumbs his nose and steals a Supreme Court seat from hapless Dems and Obama.

I didn't read the article you linked, as my proxy server capabilities are sketchy at the moment.  So forgive me if it adds any more info.  But I think I summed up the gist of things. 

Any applicability here?
Well, the virus crisis should be long past by the November election.  Could trump and the generals he has in key positions delay the US election and then go on to make that the new normal?   Hard to see that happening.  Trump did just lavish a few extra hundred billion on the military, and the military has become a partisan component of gov't.  Something the Dems need to address. 

If US elections were say May 1st, there would certainly be cause for concern.  But I think we're safe.  The US  2-party system has a much more clear winner-take-all voting outcomes system and power transitions that would be hard to thwart. 

Bibi is relying on voter fatigue.  They've had 3 inconclusive elections in the past year (the main point of agreement is that the Israeli public is really ready to screw and stomp the Palestinians into further submission, which incidentally got the Arab-Israelis to finally unite, organize and vote, which they used to be very ambivalent about, resulting in Bibi being thwarted).  Bibi's coalition is also the largest voting bloc (somewhat akin to Hillary winning more votes than Trump), 

Really the main difference between the two major coalitions is that one is led by Bibi and the other doesn't like him at all.  If Bibi weren't under indictment, he would likely step down and become a senior statesman, and there would be a national coalition gov't led by Gen. Gantz. or with a power-sharing arrangement.  Bibi tried to get laws passed that would give him legal immunity and allow him the flexibility of either carrying on as leader or stepping down if that weren't possible.

Bibni is the strong man -- much like Putin or Erdogan -- and like them he bombs neighboring countries and runs roughshod over international laws and minority rights.  This is the Return to the Strongman era, with autocrats finding it easy to push past and stomp on democratic norms.  Israel's democratic tradition and reliance on the US makes it a little harder for him.  Bibi can't just shut down opposition media, so instead he relies on Sheldon Anderson's free pro-Netanyahu newspaper and his corrupt billions.  And then bribes/coerces another newspaper to provide favorable coverage (this is the most serious of the indictment charges against Netanyahu).

Trump has Fox News and America One as propaganda organs.  And just derides and belittles the mainstream media.  Which the Dems really need to push back on and defend the role of journalism in securing and preserving democracy, and explain the dangers when the news media is not accepted as legitimate.  Kooky, conspiracy laden paranoid Trump and conservatives are setting the debate and debate parameters in the US. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #29507 on: March 22, 2020, 08:24:57 AM »

The shape of things to come?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/19/with-pandemic-cover-netanyahu-is-carrying-out-coup-israel/

Hey, he needs to stay out of jail.  What is a prime minister to do?

It is worrisome, but instead of a full blown coup, it's only the dress rehearsal for one.  So maybe he's cancelled the courts for now, just before his trial, and his allies have temporarily closed parliament. 

The context: his opponent Gantz has 30 days to set up a governing coalition.  Which he probably can't do because his allies won't partner with the Arab-Israeli members who they need to constitute a majority.  So Netanhyahu is using coronavirus to shit down govt and stall.  Because while Gantz can't actually from a government, the anti-Netanyahu forces have 61/120 seats which would allow them to pass legislation that would 1) set term limits and 2) not allow any indicted official from being PM.  Which would crash Bibi's career into a brick wall.  So it's more a delaying tactic and thwarting gov't then a full-blown takeover/coup.  it's the kind of hardball we've seen form McConnell, where he just thumbs his nose and steals a Supreme Court seat from hapless Dems and Obama.

I didn't read the article you linked, as my proxy server capabilities are sketchy at the moment.  So forgive me if it adds any more info.  But I think I summed up the gist of things. 

Any applicability here?
Well, the virus crisis should be long past by the November election.  Could trump and the generals he has in key positions delay the US election and then go on to make that the new normal?   Hard to see that happening.  Trump did just lavish a few extra hundred billion on the military, and the military has become a partisan component of gov't.  Something the Dems need to address. 

If US elections were say May 1st, there would certainly be cause for concern.  But I think we're safe.  The US  2-party system has a much more clear winner-take-all voting outcomes system and power transitions that would be hard to thwart. 

Bibi is relying on voter fatigue.  They've had 3 inconclusive elections in the past year (the main point of agreement is that the Israeli public is really ready to screw and stomp the Palestinians into further submission, which incidentally got the Arab-Israelis to finally unite, organize and vote, which they used to be very ambivalent about, resulting in Bibi being thwarted).  Bibi's coalition is also the largest voting bloc (somewhat akin to Hillary winning more votes than Trump), 

Really the main difference between the two major coalitions is that one is led by Bibi and the other doesn't like him at all.  If Bibi weren't under indictment, he would likely step down and become a senior statesman, and there would be a national coalition gov't led by Gen. Gantz. or with a power-sharing arrangement.  Bibi tried to get laws passed that would give him legal immunity and allow him the flexibility of either carrying on as leader or stepping down if that weren't possible.

Bibni is the strong man -- much like Putin or Erdogan -- and like them he bombs neighboring countries and runs roughshod over international laws and minority rights.  This is the Return to the Strongman era, with autocrats finding it easy to push past and stomp on democratic norms.  Israel's democratic tradition and reliance on the US makes it a little harder for him.  Bibi can't just shut down opposition media, so instead he relies on Sheldon Anderson's free pro-Netanyahu newspaper and his corrupt billions.  And then bribes/coerces another newspaper to provide favorable coverage (this is the most serious of the indictment charges against Netanyahu).

Trump has Fox News and America One as propaganda organs.  And just derides and belittles the mainstream media.  Which the Dems really need to push back on and defend the role of journalism in securing and preserving democracy, and explain the dangers when the news media is not accepted as legitimate.  Kooky, conspiracy laden paranoid Trump and conservatives are setting the debate and debate parameters in the US.


Trump and half the GOP need to stay out of jail, too.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/doj-suspend-constitutional-rights-coronavirus-970935/
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #29508 on: March 22, 2020, 09:06:42 AM »

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #29509 on: March 22, 2020, 10:01:11 AM »

Prez saved big tax bucks cutting the pandemic committee BHO had in place. Costing plenty now.
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« Reply #29510 on: March 22, 2020, 11:24:02 AM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/20/hospitals-doctors-are-wiping-out-supplies-an-unproven-coronavirus-treatment/

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The U.S. has all but exhausted its supplies of two anti-malarial drugs that are being used by some doctors in the U.S. and China to treat the coronavirus, but which lack definitive evidence as effective treatment or approval from the Food and Drug Administration.

Hopes that the decades-old drugs could be effective against the coronavirus were also boosted by President Trump, who told a White House press briefing on Thursday the compounds were “a game-changer'' and have shown “very, very encouraging results.'' He made similar remarks again Friday.

The sudden shortages of the two drugs could come at a serious cost for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis patients who depend on them to alleviate symptoms of inflammation, including preventing organ damage in lupus patients.

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Several new studies have shown the possible benefits of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, but medical experts are cautioning there is no solid evidence they have any effect on coronavirus. At Trump’s behest, the FDA is considering launching a broad clinical study to document whether they really work.

Even with the deep uncertainties, some doctors have been prescribing the drug as a preventive measure as well as a treatment. The phenomenon, known as “off-label'' prescribing, has depleted already limited supplies. 

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  The drugs should be used exclusively in ill patients and not tried prophylactically by doctors and others, she said.

“The issue for me that’s disturbing is that people are getting their own prescriptions, or have prescribing rights, doctors or dentists, and writing themselves large prescriptions of the drugs, and doing it for themselves and family,'' she said. “If there’s hoarding, that is just going to be a big problem, and that is something that pharmacies and the health care system need to put a stop to pretty quickly.''

Much of the frenzy has been fueled by three recently published studies, on small groups of patients from China, Japan and France, that indicated possible benefits of the drugs. But those were not randomized clinical trials tested against a placebo, which is considered the gold standard for proof of efficacy. ..

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #29511 on: March 22, 2020, 11:35:06 AM »

Much of the frenzy has been fueled by three recently published studies, on small groups of patients from China, Japan and France, that indicated possible benefits of the drugs. But those were not randomized clinical trials tested against a placebo, which is considered the gold standard for proof of efficacy. ..


New York to start the clinical trials of the three drugs on Tuesday
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« Reply #29512 on: March 22, 2020, 01:06:56 PM »

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Chaos, inconsistency mark launch of drive-thru virus testing

More than a week after President Donald Trump promised that states and retail stores such as Walmart and CVS would open drive-thru test centers, few sites are up and running, and they’re not yet open to the general public. Some states are leaving it to the private sector to open test locations; others are coordinating the effort through state health departments.

Patients have complained that they had to jump through cumbersome bureaucratic hoops and wait days to get tested, then wait even longer for a result. Testing centers opened in some places only to be shut down shortly afterward because of shortages of supplies and staff. And while the drive-thru test centers that have opened are generally orderly, there have been long lines at some.

The slow ramp-up of the COVID-19 testing and the spotty nature now of the system makes it hard for public health officials to track the spread of the disease and bring it under control.
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« Reply #29513 on: March 22, 2020, 01:09:04 PM »

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But supply shortages have shut down drive-thrus in several states, including Colorado, New Mexico, Virginia, Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, North Carolina, and Utah. One Las Vegas site was closed because it didn’t have enough workers.

New York state opened several centers to great fanfare on Tuesday. By Friday, however, New York City’s health department issued an alert saying only people who require hospitalization should be tested, due to shortages of protective equipment such as face masks.
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« Reply #29514 on: March 22, 2020, 01:15:18 PM »

Amateur hour.
The US and the states can't organize and coordinate and keep track of this?  Shortages?   Embarrassing.  We'd be shaking our heads if say Mexico were performing like this.

So if you're lucky and jump through the right hoops you might be able to get an appointment in 2 days, and then the results take 4 or 5 days.  You kidding me?  Are they actually taking this seriously?!?  Some folks are going to die before they get their results.  Or certainly be worse off.  And sicne they haven't tested positive yet, are more likely to interact with others and spread the disease.

Of course the drive through screening mostly works well for the 1/3 of the country dwelling in suburbs.  And even there not everybody has a car or internet to fill out the forms to get an appointment.

Time to remove the patchwork and profit-oriented health care system and replace it with a national one that includes everyone.  That can be supplemented with private health care for those willing to pay.  But the system in place is intentionally inefficient, as it needs to limit usage in order to wring out profits.  And with so many players, nobody's in charge, no one is responsible.

Anyway, this has really been a national disgrace and not America's finest hour, and lots of folks will die unnecessarily.

Oh, and wear some fucking masks ...
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« Reply #29515 on: March 22, 2020, 02:08:32 PM »

Amateur hour.
The US and the states can't organize and coordinate and keep track of this?  Shortages?   Embarrassing.  We'd be shaking our heads if say Mexico were performing like this.

So if you're lucky and jump through the right hoops you might be able to get an appointment in 2 days, and then the results take 4 or 5 days.  You kidding me?  Are they actually taking this seriously?!?  Some folks are going to die before they get their results.  Or certainly be worse off.  And sicne they haven't tested positive yet, are more likely to interact with others and spread the disease.

Of course the drive through screening mostly works well for the 1/3 of the country dwelling in suburbs.  And even there not everybody has a car or internet to fill out the forms to get an appointment.

Time to remove the patchwork and profit-oriented health care system and replace it with a national one that includes everyone.  That can be supplemented with private health care for those willing to pay.  But the system in place is intentionally inefficient, as it needs to limit usage in order to wring out profits.  And with so many players, nobody's in charge, no one is responsible.

Anyway, this has really been a national disgrace and not America's finest hour, and lots of folks will die unnecessarily.

Oh, and wear some fucking masks ...

If you can get one.

My spouse is sewing masks as we speak.
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« Reply #29516 on: March 22, 2020, 02:09:47 PM »

Yesterday, the US reported 4,824 new cases, bringing us up to 24,207.

So far, today, the US has reported 13,957 new cases, bringing us up to 38,164.

A lot of this is that the tests have finally begun to get out there, despite the loss of drive-through test places.

But that's not all of it, by any means.

Yesterday, the US reported 46 new deaths.
So far today, the US has reported 94 new deaths!

We have 708 critical/serious cases among our active cases, which we have resumed reporting after several days of not doing so. (Last time we'd reported it before yesterday it was at 64.)
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« Reply #29518 on: March 22, 2020, 02:12:14 PM »

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« Reply #29519 on: March 22, 2020, 02:16:53 PM »

Well damn!


"What a revoltin' development this is!“

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rand-paul-becomes-first-known-senator-test-positive-coronavirus-n1166111

Poetic justice...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-coronavirus-bill-vote-delayed-after-rand-paul-pushes-doomed-n1162356

I love the self-congratulatory tone of "out of an abundance of caution."

More like out of adequate caution.

It's nice that he thinks nobody has come in contact with him.
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